Bottom lip "delete" or "wrapped".

https://i.imgur.com/zgel7LY.png

And this is what we'll be seeing under the hood of our new Z's:

No. You can't say Z without front teeth. Ask him.

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I agree not sure if it's just growing on me or that picture is so much better than what Nissan showed. However I do like it more than I did initially. Still think it's a little too wide (I understand it's for cooling) and I don't think blacking out the bottom helps any. I don't think it's garbage anymore but I do see some areas of improvement to make it look smaller like having a bar across the front that is paint matched to help make it look a little smaller.

https://i.imgur.com/dNzxTV8.png

Can't wait to see it in other colors. I think it'll look amazing in black.

Definitely not considering yellow! It seems to hide all the lines on this car.

I'm thinking white will look good also. I've seen a Tesla Model 3 in white, and white really makes that car look so much better than the majority of which are grey. It shows the lines on the 3, which actually are not all that bad.

Also wondering what kind of red or blue they will be offering.

But definitely no yellow for me.

Yea, I think most of the colors will really good on the car. Personally, I loved my Brilliant Silver, but a Monterrey or Deep Blue Pearl would look really good.
Let's hope Nissan/aftermarket has a spoiler add-on or duckbill option. That would curve the rear end out nicely.

Are the seats similar or the same as the 370z on this 400z?

I'll be in my bunk!

The first thing I did when I bought my Q60 was buy the OEM lip spoiler for it. In my mind's eye the new 300Z needs a lip or duckbill option to "fill-out" the rear end.
So yeah, I'll also be on the look out for an appropriate (hopefully OEM) spoiler!

And louvers. This car is begging for some old-school louvers!

When I was looking at the up-close shots of the underbody and interior, it is very clear to me that 98% of the Proto Z is actually already at production level.

If you go back and look at the underbody shots, all of the under body parts line up and interface with the outer body panels in an exactly OEM way. Nothing is trimmed and tucked, it all looks like it does on our current Nissan vehicles. The only thing that looked not 100% was that the Q60 muffler had rear extensions welded on it, which is typically done when Q60 parts and 370Z mufflers are interchanged.

The interior looks extremely final. Despite using many current 370Z parts, there's nothing about the dash or door panels that are "proto". They look to be at a manufactured level of fit/finish. The only thing I think is "proto" was the software running the gauge cluster (which also seemed to be turned off when in USA) and the yellow/black seat trim. No way will yellow/black be the seat trim on all versions of this car.

The only thing I saw that seems "proto" on the exterior are the headlights. The "high beam" element is an aftermarket LED module. Headlights are super expensive to make, so it's likely the final headlight wasn't done yet for the proto. I will say the headlight design isn't likely to change much at all, the DRL seems final. It's just the aftermarket high beam thing is obviously not final production. I also hope Nissan adds fogs to the front fascia, that would help to break up the "proto" look of the front nose cone. We'll see.

Another decent video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S7ZDEcq51E

Hoonigan/Larry Chen's take hits it on the head. If you isolate parts of car in view, it looks way better.

I'm still holding my same stance on the front. I'd like the bottom flare to be black altogether but that's obviously impractical to turn it into more a multi-piece bumper in production. But make that flare shaper, or something. It'll help recapture the slimmer appearance of the 240Z's front.

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Couldn't agree more with what he's saying here. The new Supra is a good car regardless if it's half BMW, but it still isn't selling that well because of its price. Nissan would be foolish to price the new Z starting above $45k. It wouldn't sell point blank period. Personally I realistically see the starting price being $35k-$40k max.

Basic 4 cyn Z, should be under 30k. Than go from there.

I'll be in my bunk!

https://i.imgur.com/Tlv3nzG.jpg

First picture of it on the street. Oh yes.

Entry level Q60 starts at $42,675
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ti-q60-priced/

Knock off at least $7K .

Nissan doesn't have a decent 4cyl anymore. The VC-T motor is a hot mess. I've driven a QX50 loaner car a couple of times, hate the motor. Or the trans. Or both. I dunno what it is but it's not impressive.

Also, doesn't the FM platform have a weight issue? And I don't think in USA Z ever came with 4 cyl. Nissan keeps stressing that this is a heritage vehicle. Personally I wouldn't be interested in a Nissan 4 cyl "Z" car.

There's always a BRZ if you wanna scratch that itch.

how about this

The leading speculation has it getting the Infiniti Q60's 300-hp 3.0-liter V6 at launch, with the 565-hp 3.8-liter under the GT-R's hood coming at some later point.

From this autoweek article
https://www.autoweek.com/news/sports...w-z-prototype/

now that I might buy, if they do that .....

but its all a waiting game

I am liking this more and more everyday!

I hope they don't add anything to the front-fascia, especially fog lights. It's so nice to see clean side pods next to the grill, kind of like the original R35. Tired of all these holes, grills, lights, and other tidbits that busy up the front of cars.

i'm gonna go with .001% chance they put the GTR engine in the Z.

unless the R36 somehow actually happens AND has the 800hp hybrid setup.

otherwise, they will never make the cars that close in performance.

^^^THIS^^^

No marketing department is that dumb. GM made a turbo TA that was faster than that years Vette. They realized how stupid it was and have never done that again.

to that point the only caveat would be is if the GTR was a much lighter vehicle.

the GM example of that is the ZL1 camaro getting a slightly detuned Z06 engine but it is a 500-600lbs heavier vehicle.

you put 565hp in a 3200-3400lb Z that's a whole different animal minus the AWD and DCT that the GTR has.

Back in those days, the GM divisions were very segregated. Pontiac often did crazy stuff, and it wasn't unusual for each division to have several bespoke engine options.


As for the new Z getting the VR38....maybe...if it was detuned. Could you imagine that much HP in a RWD 2 seater? It'd be a widowmaker.

I firmly believe Nissan will stick to the VR30 in multiple states of tune.

Lol what r u guys smoking? No way in hell nissan would use the gtr engine.
It would be nice. Detuned say when the gtr first debut. 485 or something. And keep the price under 40k

I'll be in my bunk!

40k not going to happen, low 40k for base at best.

The Q60 starts in the low 40's.

Are you thinking the new Z will be priced the same as a Q60?

The new Z base model will definitely start under $40k. Sport/Premium will probably be around $45k.

does anybody remember the project clubsport 23, sema 2018, they stuff a 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 found in the Infiniti Q50 400 Red Sport in it..
might this had been the start of the next Z, like can this be done, and then with the Z pronto showing a lot of 370z in

Just wondering

Yes. They said they started this project about 4 yrs ago

I'll be in my bunk!

It's the Q60 with 300hp that starts in the low 40's.

I talked to my informant from Nissan this past weekend at the track. I asked him if had any information on the automatic transmission for the new Z and he smiled and said yes but I can't tell you anything about it and then he paused and said what I can tell you is that it will not be anything that is on their vehicles at this time. He suspects that because it is something new there will be issues to sort through. Nothing new about that.

He stated that he and others are pushing and politicking Nissan to also offer the Nismo with a manual transmission as well. That is all I have for now. If I am at the next tack day I will pump him for more information.

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intriguing.

so it's not a DCT i think we can all agree they wouldnt do that.

it's def not the same 7AT from the 370/Q60....thankfully.

and then it's also not their new 9 speed per that comment.

you had my curiosity nissan. now you have my attention lol

After reading your comment it reminded me that he did say it would have more gears than the current 7 speed so it may be a variant of the nine speed.

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Right. The new 300Z will likely be offered with very similar VR30 tunes as the Q60. This Japanese source confirmed the pricing of the upcoming VR-powered JDM Fairlady: http://www.the370z.com/3966198-post6011.html





It appears that the rumored JDM VR30 pricing is approx 6-8% higher than equivalent JDM Z34 pricing, as it seems the JDM trim levels are fairly comparable between Z34 and Z35. Also note that the JDM rumor also agrees with the opinion of many of us that there will likely be 3 versions of the VR30: 300HP-ish, 400HP-ish, something-more-ish for a NISMO.

The 300HP VR30 Q60 starts at $42.7K

That would mean the new 300Z that has the same 300HP VR30 could very likely be under $36K base. The Q60 has nearly 700 pounds of more "stuff" than a Z car.

If I were on a budget, a 300HP VR30 300Z would be a great starting point. May seem like less power than a VQ37, but it has more overall power, and the tuning options are strong with this version of the VR30.

This is how the new Z upsets the Supra:

Base Z has 300HP TT V6 at $36K vs Base 4cyl Supra at $43K (even if you say $40K for base Z, still looks better!)
Uplevel Z's have 400HP TT V6 at least $6-7K cheaper than Supra 3.0TT
At least for ONE model year (I expect BMW to add 6MT after Z is released) the Z will have the advantage of offering a 6MT
The new Z is actually a JDM product. Not a rebadged, re-skinned BMW. For those that care (some of us do, not all I know)

Not dissing the BMW Supra, BMWs are phenomenal and always punch way above their ratings. Heck, I highly doubt the new Z would be faster than a Supra 3.0 (the 2.0 for sure Z is faster). But the Z will be consistently cheaper than the Supra and will be VERY close in performance. Extra points for being JDM to many of us.

Unfortunately, all of these 2 seat sporty cars are playing in a nearly dead space, so not sure anyone is a real "winner" after all. Except maybe those of us who enjoy these kinds of cars

Pretty sure it will be a variant of the 9 speed that nismo is tweaking for the new Z.

Well we shall c a in a drag race how they fare. But it will have to be auto vs auto.
15hp isnt much a difference. Its more for marketing. Potentially

I'll be in my bunk!

I was assuming that the Q60 would be getting the 9AT, but at least for 2021, Nissan/Infiniti has retained the 7AT for the 2021MY Q60. Ugh. However, reviews of the 2021 Q50/Q60 have been praising the 7AT....when those same reviews from 2016 said the 7AT wasn't very good. Maybe Nissan/Infiniti fixed the 7AT programming? Finally? Mechanically nothing wrong with the 7AT, it's the shift logic that has always been terrible.

Reviews of those same 2021 Infinitis also mention that the EPS is MUCH better than before.