[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Leroydsouza · 04-06-2015, 02:06 PM

Why do u have to bring used into the topic if we are talking bout brand new.
If you could buy a used gtr dont u think u should consider the hypothetical factory 370z tt we are talking about.(you could buy the hypothetical 370z tt used too amirite?)
Read the thread ..we are talking about a tt from company for 60k.

Z_ealot · 04-06-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

yea, due to piss poor marketing and business strategy. The Z32 is a prime example of failure in both aspects.

Well that, and pretty much every other car in their lineup at the time was kinda on the substandard side aside from the Z, maxima and 240sx

RicerX · 04-06-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

yea, due to piss poor marketing and business strategy. The Z32 is a prime example of failure in both aspects.

The Z32 had a lot of factors in its demise.

If you notice, Nissan wasn't alone in retiring their sports car in the American market during this time. In fact, they did so within two years of their competition retiring the Supra, 3000GT, and RX-7 in the American market. The 300ZX made it all the way to 2000 in Japan, as the 3000GT made it to 2001 and the Supra and RX-7 made it to 2002 in Japan.

The rise of the SUV contributed to these cars leaving the American market. People simply weren't buying cars like this anymore, with the exception of the mainstays in the pony cars, which were much cheaper to buy, and cheaper to own and maintain than the turbocharged Japanese cars. Hell, even the Chevy Camaro died during the tail end of that period because of slow sales (and lack of attention from GM as the vehicle went virtually unchanged for 10 years).

Nissan did indeed have a lot of problems, but the Z32's demise was a result of those problems, not the cause of it. Once the Renault/Nissan alliance kicked off and Ghosn took control, the first thing to result from his work was the Z33, which was built to be a true Z car yet more relevant to the current market than its predecessor, which was a success as a result.

I still believe that Nissan "played it safe" with the Z34, but no one could have predicted the partial collapse of the automotive industry (or maybe someone did, hence playing it safe). Now the storm has been weathered, and Nissan can make the Z35 a success by playing to the strengths of the market and staying competitive. They can do it, and they did it with the Z33 - it's just a matter of whether they'll choose to do it for the Z35.

Leroydsouza · 04-06-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

The Z32 had a lot of factors in its demise.

If you notice, Nissan wasn't alone in retiring their sports car in the American market during this time. In fact, they did so within two years of their competition retiring the Supra, 3000GT, and RX-7 in the American market. The 300ZX made it all the way to 2000 in Japan, as the 3000GT made it to 2001 and the Supra and RX-7 made it to 2002 in Japan.

The rise of the SUV contributed to these cars leaving the American market. People simply weren't buying cars like this anymore, with the exception of the mainstays in the pony cars, which were much cheaper to buy, and cheaper to own and maintain than the turbocharged Japanese cars. Hell, even the Chevy Camaro died during the tail end of that period because of slow sales (and lack of attention from GM as the vehicle went virtually unchanged for 10 years).

Nissan did indeed have a lot of problems, but the Z32's demise was a result of those problems, not the cause of it. Once the Renault/Nissan alliance kicked off and Ghosn took control, the first thing to result from his work was the Z33, which was built to be a true Z car yet more relevant to the current market than its predecessor, which was a success as a result.

I still believe that Nissan "played it safe" with the Z34, but no one could have predicted the partial collapse of the automotive industry (or maybe someone did, hence playing it safe). Now the storm has been weathered, and Nissan can make the Z35 a success by playing to the strengths of the market and staying competitive. They can do it, and they did it with the Z33 - it's just a matter of whether they'll choose to do it for the Z35.

Wow. There are many speculations done over why a car fails etc etc, but you sir really know ur ****.

LAVA · 04-06-2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKraken22

So all that for 60k when you can buy a used GT-R for 55k and buy a kit like the SBD700 full bolt on kit for the GT-R for 5k and be at 600+ if on E85. Sorry I'll take the GT-R pound for pound when it comes to performance. When you buy a Z (fully loaded) and push it to 600 hp you're essentially could buy a used GT-R and add bolt on's as I stated. The only way I wouldn't touch my internals when going FI is if the Z wasn't my DD. But it is and can't risk blowing the engine. And I have a 7At so isn't so easy to just upgrade the trans.

I'd be afraid of a 55k GTR...seems like you'd be getting a basket case/money pit for that price

mishuko · 04-06-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

The Z32 had a lot of factors in its demise.

If you notice, Nissan wasn't alone in retiring their sports car in the American market during this time. In fact, they did so within two years of their competition retiring the Supra, 3000GT, and RX-7 in the American market. The 300ZX made it all the way to 2000 in Japan, as the 3000GT made it to 2001 and the Supra and RX-7 made it to 2002 in Japan.

The rise of the SUV contributed to these cars leaving the American market. People simply weren't buying cars like this anymore, with the exception of the mainstays in the pony cars, which were much cheaper to buy, and cheaper to own and maintain than the turbocharged Japanese cars. Hell, even the Chevy Camaro died during the tail end of that period because of slow sales (and lack of attention from GM as the vehicle went virtually unchanged for 10 years).

Nissan did indeed have a lot of problems, but the Z32's demise was a result of those problems, not the cause of it. Once the Renault/Nissan alliance kicked off and Ghosn took control, the first thing to result from his work was the Z33, which was built to be a true Z car yet more relevant to the current market than its predecessor, which was a success as a result.

I still believe that Nissan "played it safe" with the Z34, but no one could have predicted the partial collapse of the automotive industry (or maybe someone did, hence playing it safe). Now the storm has been weathered, and Nissan can make the Z35 a success by playing to the strengths of the market and staying competitive. They can do it, and they did it with the Z33 - it's just a matter of whether they'll choose to do it for the Z35.

the demise of the sports car industry was so brutal for me since i was still crawling out of diapers and didn't know how to add (fek still don't)

so the late 80's early 90's glory days of sports cars i didn't get to fully enjoy.

come now +2000's and we have a bunch of pseudo sport sedans and high end sports cars but the low/entry level market had like... nothing!

atleast now we have a bit more selection... sort of.

MagmaRed370z · 04-06-2015, 04:01 PM

LAVA · 04-06-2015, 05:59 PM

^ this is from early last year...looks big

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-06-2015, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Only to people like you and I who want massive power and are willing to pull out their wallets for it. To make sense financially a car like the Z also has to appeal to the buyer who's just looking for a sporty coupe to bop around in

So if it's too overpriced to compete with v6 Mustangs, Scibarus, and Miatas, they're going to lose a lot of sales.

If I were on Nissan's board I'd say screw the average consumer and let's only offer a TT 6MT hardtop with adjustable coil-overs, launch control and variable boost... but maybe that's why I'm not in business. They'd sell like 5 of them.

Yup... Some of us are going to either stay in the Z family if the Z is what we hope and if not? Some of us may go upmarket to the low $1XX,000 arena? For some of us, if can we fulfill the vision of a great driving machine in the low end? We save money for other things... Cheaper cars give a more raw experience. That's the appeal.
But now premium makers like Benz, Jaguar and Lexus are seeing the appeal of raw hard edge machines in the upmarket arena. I'll buy an underdog car before a premium one if executed right? So many factors go into individual decision making. But if it can't be executed down low... High is the market we'll have to play in

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-06-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

the demise of the sports car industry was so brutal for me since i was still crawling out of diapers and didn't know how to add (fek still don't)

so the late 80's early 90's glory days of sports cars i didn't get to fully enjoy.

come now +2000's and we have a bunch of pseudo sport sedans and high end sports cars but the low/entry level market had like... nothing!

atleast now we have a bit more selection... sort of.

watch F&F 1 and enjoy it vicariously.... lol

Fast 7 was amazing.! RIP Paul Walker

victort · 04-06-2015, 11:28 PM

good thing the GTR is fast, that thing is so fugly

falconfixer · 04-07-2015, 01:22 AM

Anyone mention yet that a $60K Z is an excellent idea as it'll keep the F&F, Forza, Gran Turismo, Uncle Ben rejects from affording the next gen for awhile?

Oh and a $55K R35 is a time bomb at this point in time. I wouldn't touch it.

b15 · 04-07-2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by falconfixer

Anyone mention yet that a $60K Z is an excellent idea as it'll keep the F&F, Forza, Gran Turismo, Uncle Ben rejects from affording the next gen for awhile?

Oh and a $55K R35 is a time bomb at this point in time. I wouldn't touch it.

Duc_Z09 · 04-07-2015, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by victort

good thing the GTR is fast, that thing is so fugly

It has to be fast so nobody sees you in it.

RicerX · 04-07-2015, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by falconfixer

Oh and a $55K R35 is a time bomb at this point in time. I wouldn't touch it.

Only until all the employee leased R35s hit the market. Then it will be the average for a moderately used DBA.

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Leroydsouza Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Dubai Posts: 265 Drives: Nissan 370z 2014 Rep Power: 12	Why do u have to bring used into the topic if we are talking bout brand new. If you could buy a used gtr dont u think u should consider the hypothetical factory 370z tt we are talking about.(you could buy the hypothetical 370z tt used too amirite?) Read the thread ..we are talking about a tt from company for 60k. cautupwitdm likes this. __________________ 370z 2014 7AT \|Carbon Signal - GT Edition\|

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LAVA Track Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 775 Drives: AWD Q50S_3.7 Rep Power: 81	^ this is from early last year...looks big __________________ BORLA / BERK / R2C / Z1 / Swift / NST / MOTORDYNE / OMP / H&R / EVO-R / AEROJACKET

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04-07-2015, 01:22 AM	#207 (permalink)
falconfixer Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 10aC Posts: 978 Drives: Taco Rep Power: 76	Anyone mention yet that a $60K Z is an excellent idea as it'll keep the F&F, Forza, Gran Turismo, Uncle Ben rejects from affording the next gen for awhile? Oh and a $55K R35 is a time bomb at this point in time. I wouldn't touch it. __________________ Bitch ex wife's scumbag lawyer made sure this went away.

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