[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

edk370

You know how this current M3/4 is just a tad more expensive than a C7 right, but they're about the same performance wise and price?...Well, the Z32 TT was the same performance wise, and price, as a C4 and prolly better performing than the M3 of that generation. What I'm saying is that it was a bonafide $60,000+ car in 1990ish dollars....Heck I think the Z32tt was better peforming than NA Porsche 911s and whatever else they dished out in the early 90s. NA 911s were still $60,000+ in the early 90s.....It was a different time back then. The z32TT was avante garde for a Japanese sports car; that, the NSX, FD3s, MKIV TT, 3000GT VR4, etc. It was the golden age of Japanese sports cars.

Who knows, the Z35 may step it up so that it can compete with a C7 and M3/4??

JC-Nismo

Wow, so there's not even a Nismo version offered in 2017.

FPenvy

Yes there is I just pulled the release for the regular version. Click through the site.

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FPenvy

Yea given this its leaning towards at the earliest late next year at best for a new arrival which I feel for 80% of the current ownership a bit too little too late. Unless it's some carbon featherweight with 400-450hp for 55k it'll die very quickly on showroom floors.

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killrain

Always loved Nissan.
But Nissan seriously has dropped the ball on the 370. For the price they charge for a Nismo version (all versions acually, but Nismo more so) I'd rather get a Shelby GT350. Now dont get me wrong, overall I dislike Mustangs, but for the price and the performance..........yeah GT350. Which is why I bought my 2013 sport model used. And the interior! Good God, why is it so hard to update that?! At least the gauges if nothing else and the lighting, should have gone with blue instead of red. Ok, end of rant.........or is it? *dun, dun, dun*

sgosh

A niche vehicle, limited production, isn't a terrible thing.

The alternative is ... seeing the Z in rental car lots.

I'm being slightly tongue-in-cheek here, as a balance between the two is the sweet spot, but one that's very difficult to achieve.

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RicerX

The Titan (until this year), Frontier, Z, Xterra, and Quest have idled for an egregious amount of model years relatively unchanged. The sports car market is diversifying and has many different offerings at competitive prices. The midsize truck market is on the upswing with new offerings as well as significant revisions from existing models. The minivan market is seeing some new offerings. The SUV (body on frame, not crossover) is slowly dying on the vine. The Xterra is dead, and I think the 4Runner is next (though not necessarily soon), and the Jeep Wrangler will be the last man standing there.

For all of these models, Nissan has displayed a massive lack of ability to pull the trigger on product design. It seems that they want to stick with what they're successful at and continue doing what's safe. The GT-R is there largely to placate the remainder of the stud engineers at Nissan while serving as a marketing tool, so it serves as an exception to Nissan's tendency toward BLAND PEOPLE MOVERS AND VOLUME SALES.

I feel this brand has lost its thirst to compete and be different with some of its offerings. I truly feel they have NO IDEA what to do with the Z. Or the Frontier. They poached a bunch of guys from Dodge to make the Titan happen, otherwise I think they would have bailed there.

Infiniti's brand crisis over the last several years has not helped the situation. The Maxima could nearly be badged an Infiniti with an AWD option, but the Q50 could nearly be badged a Nissan. They have to do something to make Infiniti different, and dare I say the Z has a better place at the Infiniti brand with the direction they're trying to take. The GT-R does as well. Let Nissan be the economical brand and Infiniti be the experience brand.

I think Nissan has gotten too damn big to adequately and effectively respond to changing market conditions. On the front, it looks as though they're gunshy, but they're not. The company grew so quickly, and the only way they could effectively manage it was to insert new levels of management. A company that could turn a concept around to a production vehicle within 18 months is now a company that lets its flagship truck hang around completely unchanged for 11 years, its longest running halo sports car relatively unchanged for 9 years, and nearly kill off its flagship sedan due to being at a completely loss as to what to do with a "sports sedan".

Once Infiniti can prove themselves (they're setting sales records this year due to the success of the Q50 alone, and they're going to do even more with the Q60), they're going to be the brand we want Nissan to be. It's sad - the late 90s Nissan had so many vehicles that enticed me I had no idea what to buy. Now, I honestly would buy nothing from them new. (I realize Infiniti is pretty much Nissan, but it's not).

The Q60 Red Sport is what we want the Z to be - let's be honest. It's a milder M3. A boosted sports coupe with massive interior improvements and the looks to wrap it all up.

Automotive brands do one of two things with their products typically - they offer products with which their buyers and owners grow, or they grow and enhance their products alongside their buyers. They evolve with the feedback from those that own them, or they serve as a gateway to the next vehicle in their lineup.

With the Z, Nissan has done NEITHER ONE of those things. The Z hasn't evolved with its buyers in NINE YEARS, and now that many Z owners are ready for the next thing, Nissan is hoping those owners have increased their buying power by 314% in nine years so they can hop into a GT-R. For 99.9% of Z drivers, this **** isn't happening.

There will be the diehard Z guys that will always stick around, and maybe they're just counting on that to be the case. I'm left very disappointed with this, however. It's so... uninspiring. Time to branch out, I guess, eh?

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UNKNOWN_370

Thank you for the time and energy you put into writing this. You captured the very essence of the Z enthusiast in how we feel.

It's like we're being tortured for the ones who didn't support Nissan instead of being loyal to us

Nissan really sucks

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Spooler

WOW, it seems some of you guys don't understand what a Z is all about. It is a no frills driver car that is a great driving experience for a great price. The 300zxtt went way above that at a cost too. Z's have always been mod friendly so you can customize them to your own liking. The 350z was a good try but totally missed the styling of a Z. I never liked them. I would personally like to see a through back design more like a 240z of the new age. The 370z is close to that. Anyway, whatever. I love what I have and don't see changing anytime soon.

killrain

Its not that great of a price really. Overpriced for what you get. Yes its fun, but cost to value just isnt there. Now I love my Z, but I'm also not blinded by that love. Your statement on the 240z aspect is correct on all points! (in my opinion).

edk370

No. It is because the r32gtr wasn't allowed into the US then, hence the z32tt being nissans flagship sportscar then. I am aware that the s30 was meant to be an affordable no frills sportscar, and a cheaper alternative to a corvette. I watched the national geographic docu on it. But times change, and cars do not have to fit typecasts.....Mustang and camaro V8s are 45,000 cars brand new. Thats not exactly bang for buck like theyre intenddd to be. Paradigms shift. Nothing stays the same. Things can and do change.

UNKNOWN_370

1. You're in a 13. For you. You're just getting into your car. Some of us have owned two Z34's already.
2. We love what we have we want to evolve or grow with the Z experience. It's what car companies are supposed to do We're not lost. Nissan is ....
3. In my case. I don't want a replacement. I want an addition. I have hopes of F.I tuning and decided aftermarket turbo pricing as of lately is unreasonable. I decided that's blowing too much money. Rather tune an inherent F I engine.

Don't fault us for wanting to grow.

Nissan is Not serving their family justly The enthusiasts drive around in the statement for the company. Halo drivers sell cars. How does a 9 year old Z do that?

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RicerX

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

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UNKNOWN_370

I didn't see who wrote this first. I should've known. Well said bruh!!!

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