Keyless ignition switch broken?

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 01:35 PM

Couldn't start my z this morning.

I've tried my regular keyfob, my secondary keyfob, replacing the cr2032 battery in the keyfob, checked starter battery voltage(good), tried jumping it anyways(no difference).

The start button stays in the lock position, I can't even get the accessories to turn on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOhAJVkm-Qk

Its a 2011 which afaik are not affected by the common steering lock issue. Also as far as I know, vehicles with that issue are still able to at least get into accessory mode.

The only ideas I have at this point are:
1. Maybe the actual start switch has failed. (I put in a GTR start button as one of my first mods years ago and have not had any issues until now) I would not expect the switch itself to fail, but I suppose that is possible. I can try swapping back to the stock switch and see if that helps.
Or
2. Whatever RFID sensor in the car that senses my key has failed somehow?

SouthArk370Z · 12-22-2014, 01:59 PM

Check the clutch pedal switch. A cheap VOM will do the job.

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 02:05 PM

I should be able to at least turn on accesories regardless of the clutch switch. I can't even do that.

JARblue · 12-22-2014, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips

Its a 2011 which afaik are not affected by the common steering lock issue.

Not true.

Just because you're not on the recall list doesn't mean it's not your ESCL. You just have the Rev D model, which has documented failures even before the recall.

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

Not true.

Just because you're not on the recall list doesn't mean it's not your ESCL. You just have the Rev D model, which has documented failures even before the recall.

Well from what I've read it sounds like people with the steering lock issue are still able to get it into ACC, which again I cannot. This is another reason I'm thinking its not that steering lock.

Also I just accidentally triggered the "feature" of rolling down my windows all the way by holding down the unlock button too long. Now I can't roll them up since I can't turn on accessories.

iceman21_23 · 12-22-2014, 03:40 PM

take the key out and turn and hold in lock position to roll windows back up

iceman21_23 · 12-22-2014, 03:41 PM

also do you have any lights on the dash? such as the key light? couldn't hurt to try banging on the box with something heavy and pressing the start button over and over again

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 03:45 PM

Thanks, got the windows back up at least.

I tried swapping back to my stock start button, didn't make a difference.

The dash lights can be seen in the video.

iceman21_23 · 12-22-2014, 03:47 PM

tap on the wheel lock module under the steering column can use tow hook if in a jam tap on the box while pressing the start button

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman21_23

tap on the wheel lock module under the steering column can use tow hook if in a jam tap on the box while pressing the start button

nothing happens

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 04:45 PM

Also just checked all the harnesses on the IPDM module, unplugged and replugged, nothing looked like bad connection. I think the module might be fried.

SouthArk370Z · 12-22-2014, 04:51 PM

Check out the STR section of the FSM for diagnostics, wiring diagrams, &c.

ChipsWithDips · 12-22-2014, 05:26 PM

Looked at my steering lock unit and it is a revision C, and I've read that the latest is rev D. Maybe that is what failed after all.

So if I understand this correctly, the fuse removal trick is only pre-emptive and won't help if your steering lock is already dead?

Is there a way to bypass this issue without buying another worthless part?

SouthArk370Z · 12-22-2014, 05:33 PM

If beating on it doesn't work then you can try to disassemble it and put the mechanical parts in the right position. There's a DIY on here somewhere.

Yes, removing the fuse is a pre-emptive measure. Once the ESCL fails, you're boned.

There is no bypass that I am aware of.

Trips · 12-22-2014, 06:23 PM

DIY - Steering lock internals workaround for those whose locks have already failed.

12-22-2014, 01:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	Keyless ignition switch broken? Couldn't start my z this morning. I've tried my regular keyfob, my secondary keyfob, replacing the cr2032 battery in the keyfob, checked starter battery voltage(good), tried jumping it anyways(no difference). The start button stays in the lock position, I can't even get the accessories to turn on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOhAJVkm-Qk Its a 2011 which afaik are not affected by the common steering lock issue. Also as far as I know, vehicles with that issue are still able to at least get into accessory mode. The only ideas I have at this point are: 1. Maybe the actual start switch has failed. (I put in a GTR start button as one of my first mods years ago and have not had any issues until now) I would not expect the switch itself to fail, but I suppose that is possible. I can try swapping back to the stock switch and see if that helps. Or 2. Whatever RFID sensor in the car that senses my key has failed somehow? __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

12-22-2014, 01:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	Check the clutch pedal switch. A cheap VOM will do the job. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-22-2014, 02:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	I should be able to at least turn on accesories regardless of the clutch switch. I can't even do that. __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

12-22-2014, 03:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
iceman21_23 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: league city, tx Posts: 757 Drives: 09' Solid Red 370z Rep Power: 17	take the key out and turn and hold in lock position to roll windows back up __________________ Zele front bumper cf front lip, Seibon TS Hood, Work GS2, Ings+1 side skirts Takeda CAI Litespeed Exhaust

12-22-2014, 03:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
iceman21_23 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: league city, tx Posts: 757 Drives: 09' Solid Red 370z Rep Power: 17	also do you have any lights on the dash? such as the key light? couldn't hurt to try banging on the box with something heavy and pressing the start button over and over again __________________ Zele front bumper cf front lip, Seibon TS Hood, Work GS2, Ings+1 side skirts Takeda CAI Litespeed Exhaust

12-22-2014, 03:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	Thanks, got the windows back up at least. I tried swapping back to my stock start button, didn't make a difference. The dash lights can be seen in the video. __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

12-22-2014, 03:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
iceman21_23 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: league city, tx Posts: 757 Drives: 09' Solid Red 370z Rep Power: 17	tap on the wheel lock module under the steering column can use tow hook if in a jam tap on the box while pressing the start button __________________ Zele front bumper cf front lip, Seibon TS Hood, Work GS2, Ings+1 side skirts Takeda CAI Litespeed Exhaust

12-22-2014, 04:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	Also just checked all the harnesses on the IPDM module, unplugged and replugged, nothing looked like bad connection. I think the module might be fried. __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

12-22-2014, 04:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	Check out the STR section of the FSM for diagnostics, wiring diagrams, &c. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-22-2014, 05:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	Looked at my steering lock unit and it is a revision C, and I've read that the latest is rev D. Maybe that is what failed after all. So if I understand this correctly, the fuse removal trick is only pre-emptive and won't help if your steering lock is already dead? Is there a way to bypass this issue without buying another worthless part? __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

12-22-2014, 05:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	If beating on it doesn't work then you can try to disassemble it and put the mechanical parts in the right position. There's a DIY on here somewhere. Yes, removing the fuse is a pre-emptive measure. Once the ESCL fails, you're boned. There is no bypass that I am aware of. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-22-2014, 06:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,730 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	DIY - Steering lock internals workaround for those whose locks have already failed. __________________

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