Clutch stuck X1 & Loose of feel in cold weather

Troyz · 01-07-2014, 09:07 AM

I live in Texas. When its below 40°F I have more play in the clutch and what I can describe as its too easy to disengage. Round Rock Nissan said its a rare problem and scheduled me to do a clutch flush Saturday with GTR fluid for a little of $200. They said a fluid change is not covered under warranty.

2012 370Z M6 36,001Mi (Extended Warranty)

Your wisdom...

m4a1mustang · 01-07-2014, 09:23 AM

But when it warms up it's fine, right?

Sounds like they are taking advantage of you. It was 4 degrees this morning. Naturally the pedal will feel funky because it is cold... returns to normal feel once it gets closer to operating temperature.

Chuck33079 · 01-07-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But when it warms up it's fine, right?

Sounds like they are taking advantage of you. It was 4 degrees this morning. Naturally the pedal will feel funky because it is cold... returns to normal feel once it gets closer to operating temperature.

Grab a bottle of good brake fluid and let another shop bleed it for you if you're still on the stock fill. Otherwise, go on about your day until the csc fails completely.

Troyz · 01-07-2014, 09:41 AM

Correct once its warm I got no issues. I am getting worried because it stuck once. If it needs flushed I can get it done with the next oil change in about a 1000 miles. I don't want to get stranded.

Chuck33079 · 01-07-2014, 09:46 AM

Flushing it is no guarantee you won't end up stranded. Eventually your stock CSC will fail. Changing the fluid is a band-aid.

Troyz · 01-07-2014, 10:23 AM

I figured as much. I will be happy to see my aftermarket warranty from Toyota pay for what what ever damage is done from ignoring the real problem, i.e transmission, fly wheel, and so on. It covers towing too! This GTR clutch fluid they want to put in must be something special.

Chuck33079 · 01-07-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Troyz

I figured as much. I will be happy to see my aftermarket warranty from Toyota pay for what what ever damage is done from ignoring the real problem, i.e transmission, fly wheel, and so on. It covers towing too! This GTR clutch fluid they want to put in must be something special.

It's just DOT 4 brake fluid. And nothing else is usually damaged when the csc fails. It would be smart to go ahead and buy the aftermarket csc so you have it on hand when the OEM one fails.

TreeSemdyZee · 01-07-2014, 10:31 AM

Cold weather makes the clutch and the brakes hard to use. Hydraulic fluid thickening up. I almost got intimate with the car in front of me this morning because my brakes didn't want to go down.
My clutch also engages extremely quickly in this cold weather. Of course it was -4 here this morning.

Troyz · 01-07-2014, 10:44 AM

I thought 17°F was cold here in Texas

I am going to just get it changed at the dealership with the magic oil and hope that works for a while unless my clutch sticks to the floor again.

kensnismo · 01-07-2014, 11:40 AM

TSB about fluid change with GTR fluid

Fountainhead · 01-08-2014, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troyz

I live in Texas. When its below 40°F I have more play in the clutch and what I can describe as its too easy to disengage. Round Rock Nissan said its a rare problem and scheduled me to do a clutch flush Saturday with GTR fluid for a little of $200. They said a fluid change is not covered under warranty.

2012 370Z M6 36,001Mi (Extended Warranty)

Your wisdom...

Rare my ***! I just love how all Stealerships say "oh we've never seen that"!
There is most definitely a TSB to change to "GTR" Fluid made from Unicorn horns before they will warranty the CSC - if they decide to warranty. It's a coin toss whether the will or not. Some guys here get the CSC replaced no cost, others have to spend a lot of time (no one ever got more time, but every day people die with money), some times it's better to bite the bullet and pay to have the ZSpeed CSC installed by another shop instead of the stealership....

Troyz · 01-09-2014, 09:05 AM

I paid $1500 for an extended warranty from Toyota a year ago for 7Yr / 100,000Mi. Now that I am at 36,125Mi I am in the warranty under a 3rd party backed by Toyota. I am going to be making some preempted phone calls since it includes toeing and possible rent car. I read this can also damage your tranny.

Chuck33079 · 01-09-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Troyz

I read this can also damage your tranny.

Highly unlikely.

Troyz · 02-04-2014, 04:18 PM

They were already familiar with this issue. They were going to change it to DOT 4 Fluid but they didn't have any in stock. They said the issue was the O-Ring and Master Cylinder causing the problem. They skipped over the replacing fluid step and contacted my warranty.

My aftermarket Toyota Warranty approved of the fix and the parts will be ready to replace in a week.

Total cost so far: $0

How much would this have cost me?

Flux · 02-10-2014, 10:49 AM

Today it happened in 40 degree weather. 2013 model with less than 12k miles on it. This morning I almost couldn't get the car in reverse. This is the car's second winter, didn't have this problem in first winter.

As described by others, no issues after car warms up.

01-07-2014, 09:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	Clutch stuck X1 & Loose of feel in cold weather I live in Texas. When its below 40°F I have more play in the clutch and what I can describe as its too easy to disengage. Round Rock Nissan said its a rare problem and scheduled me to do a clutch flush Saturday with GTR fluid for a little of $200. They said a fluid change is not covered under warranty. 2012 370Z M6 36,001Mi (Extended Warranty) Your wisdom...

01-07-2014, 09:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	But when it warms up it's fine, right? Sounds like they are taking advantage of you. It was 4 degrees this morning. Naturally the pedal will feel funky because it is cold... returns to normal feel once it gets closer to operating temperature. Chuck33079 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-07-2014, 09:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	It did stick on the floor once Correct once its warm I got no issues. I am getting worried because it stuck once. If it needs flushed I can get it done with the next oil change in about a 1000 miles. I don't want to get stranded.

01-07-2014, 09:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Flushing it is no guarantee you won't end up stranded. Eventually your stock CSC will fail. Changing the fluid is a band-aid. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

01-07-2014, 10:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	Band Aid I figured as much. I will be happy to see my aftermarket warranty from Toyota pay for what what ever damage is done from ignoring the real problem, i.e transmission, fly wheel, and so on. It covers towing too! This GTR clutch fluid they want to put in must be something special.

01-07-2014, 10:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
TreeSemdyZee Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kentuck-IANA Age: 61 Posts: 4,887 Drives: '09 370 & ‘14 Juke Rep Power: 27409	Cold weather makes the clutch and the brakes hard to use. Hydraulic fluid thickening up. I almost got intimate with the car in front of me this morning because my brakes didn't want to go down. My clutch also engages extremely quickly in this cold weather. Of course it was -4 here this morning.

01-07-2014, 10:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	Thanks for the comparisons I thought 17°F was cold here in Texas I am going to just get it changed at the dealership with the magic oil and hope that works for a while unless my clutch sticks to the floor again.

01-07-2014, 11:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
kensnismo Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: north tx Posts: 324 Drives: ZL-1 Rep Power: 15	TSB about fluid change with GTR fluid Chuck33079 likes this.

01-09-2014, 09:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	Warranty I paid $1500 for an extended warranty from Toyota a year ago for 7Yr / 100,000Mi. Now that I am at 36,125Mi I am in the warranty under a 3rd party backed by Toyota. I am going to be making some preempted phone calls since it includes toeing and possible rent car. I read this can also damage your tranny.

02-04-2014, 04:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
Troyz Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Austin Posts: 154 Drives: 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 13	Took the car to the Dealership They were already familiar with this issue. They were going to change it to DOT 4 Fluid but they didn't have any in stock. They said the issue was the O-Ring and Master Cylinder causing the problem. They skipped over the replacing fluid step and contacted my warranty. My aftermarket Toyota Warranty approved of the fix and the parts will be ready to replace in a week. Total cost so far: $0 How much would this have cost me?

02-10-2014, 10:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
Flux Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 7 Drives: 13 370z Rep Power: 13	Also in Texas, having same problem Today it happened in 40 degree weather. 2013 model with less than 12k miles on it. This morning I almost couldn't get the car in reverse. This is the car's second winter, didn't have this problem in first winter. As described by others, no issues after car warms up.

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