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Brutal 370Z 07-29-2013 10:32 AM

LOL ^ I'm still dreaming about it though :icon18: I've got a good relationship with the dealer so hopefully that helps

synolimit 07-29-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423186)
I thought you were comparing MSRP pricing on a 2013 vs a 2014 Z? So you have to think what the rate was back then to what it is now when they set the price.

2013 - MSRP $33,120. When they announced the pricing back in 2013, Yen was 78/1

2014 - MSRP $29,990 Yen is now 98/1

I'm just saying why not wait and see what the 2014 pricing/option changes would be like before getting a 2013? As a consumer I would be knowing full well that a 2014 was coming since they announced a 2014 Nismo way back in March/April. Why not wait and see? If you like the changes go get a 2014, if you didn't like the changes get a 2013.

Wait...but I think you said you leased it right? I read on this forum that leasing this car is a bad idea for whatever reasons it was, I don't recall. So, maybe that's why you're so upset.

Anyway, seems like we'll all just agree to disagree here.

Ok I get the yen thing. Not enough knowledge to comment but waiting a whole year to drop the price is to long. The price should have already dropped 6 months ago and I'd be in the car for the right price. As a guy said earlier that's owns a business or something, they do it every 6 months. Nissan should have dropped the price or rebated the 13's 6 months before the release price of the 14's, period!

I didn't wait because I've never seen such a thing! Every car and bike I've ever owned has increased in price year to year, never dropped!!!! 1000cc jap bikes used to be $10k, now we're hitting $15k and every two years is a redesign. WRX is the same thing, 2 years turn around with a price jack of about $500. I didn't wait because history proves its self in my eyes.

Everyone is wrong about leasing! You always lease and I've proved that today!!!! My car will be worth dog **** and I have the option not to buy it. When the lease is up I give it back! All you buyers are f'ed without a rebate. If the cars value went up and not down I'd buy it and sell it for a profit, lease wins again. Cheaper monthly payment, lease wins. Before all this happened with what I'd have to pay for a lease then buy it vs. just buying it, id of paid like $2000 more, but $380 a month vs. $650 a month is worth spending $2000 more over the life of the loan because I can't afford $650 a month for 5 years!!

synolimit 07-29-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alvitdk (Post 2423224)
Really, you expect a manufacturer to tell everybody..."hey just wait a couple of month, we will slash the prices and you should not go out and by the car until than"??? for 7 weeks, really?

In what world of business do you guys live actually, you bought a car you like, so go out and drive it instead of trying to chase an idea, you will not get any money back nor do I think Nissan did anything wrong! And no, I don't have money laying around, but I paid what I thought the car was worth, and was fine with it for the last 3 month, so what is different now. I don't worry about resale value, if you do, than a used 3 Year old car would have been a much better choice to begin with.

Umm I live in a world that cars don't drop $3600 in a year. If anything they go up $500. And I live in a world that 2 months out you normally see a nice fat rebate on left overs since the new year will be here. I don't know what world you live in but clearly you don't have a clue how the car industry works!

peleincubus 07-29-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2423062)
Good guess einstein...that's the way it is when the new models first come out. :rolleyes:

#1 I can tell by your reply, and the reply before and after mine. That rude as hell. (Seriously how does someone have 3 b*tech posts in a row like that)

#2 it does not matter "when the models first come out" what matters is the INVOICE because that is how much the car actually is. And unless my assumption is wrong then the invoice and msrp are closer together then they used to be.

But if they are not more power to me and anyone else buying a 2014 model this year. But my bet is I am right.

synolimit 07-29-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2423239)
So, what should Nissan do to avoid the pissed off people? I see three options.

1) Don't drop the price unless the price reflects a drop in materials or whatever.

2) Refund $3000 to everyone who has purchased a 2013 Z in the last 3 months. (Of course, what about that poor shmuck who bought it 3 months and 1 day ago?)

3) Stop selling the car for a period of time as a buffer window to a price change. Then after X time, start selling the car again for that price. (This may also be invoked by warning your customers of the price drop, which any rational customer will just not buy for a while.)


If you were a business owner faced with a similar decision, what would you do? Regardless of size, you have your own numbers to deal with and people working for you to whom you're responsible.

If you were a business owner of a public business that answers to stakeholders (investors), what would you do and/or tell your investors?


In the end, you do what's right for your business. Yes pleasing customers is what ultimately is right for the business, but it's not always that easy or clear cut.

Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head and are right about the time frame. People will get F'ed 1 days over but you have to do it. But you don't set the time frame a few days out!! A few months yes! And as I said earlier nissan must redo all leases. No ones going to buy out their lease when a 14 lease buy out will be so much smaller. Thousands of used 13's will flood the market and sit because who would pay 21k for a 13 in aug 16 vs. a 18k 14 in sep 16?

DEpointfive0 07-29-2013 10:56 AM

It's amazing how polarizing this issue is.

italy3541 07-29-2013 10:58 AM

2014 Nissan 370Z pricing announced, MSRP reduced by $3,000 - Autoblog

synolimit 07-29-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by peleincubus (Post 2423314)
#1 I can tell by your reply, and the reply before and after mine. That rude as hell. (Seriously how does someone have 3 b*tech posts in a row like that)

#2 it does not matter "when the models first come out" what matters is the INVOICE because that is how much the car actually is. And unless my assumption is wrong then the invoice and msrp are closer together then they used to be.

But if they are not more power to me and anyone else buying a 2014 model this year. But my bet is I am right.

Whats it matter the gap? Even a little gap is still under what people paid and people are still out money and nissan should do the right thing.

Here's the 13, ill get you all the 14 soon!

Base 14 msrp $29,999, base sport $33,020. You're out money before you even begin to negotiate.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps7968a8e8.jpg

peleincubus 07-29-2013 11:42 AM

I'm not saying if it is right or wrong. My point was it may not actually be a $3600 price drop. It may be $2300-$2600 something like that.

And if I had bought a 2013 and this happened I would at the least be annoyed.

onzedge 07-29-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by peleincubus (Post 2423379)
I'm not saying if it is right or wrong. My point was it may not actually be a $3600 price drop. It may be $2300-$2600 something like that.

And if I had bought a 2013 and this happened I would at the least be annoyed.

:iagree:

synolimit 07-29-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by peleincubus (Post 2423379)
I'm not saying if it is right or wrong. My point was it may not actually be a $3600 price drop. It may be $2300-$2600 something like that.

And if I had bought a 2013 and this happened I would at the least be annoyed.

Well if invoice is a difference of $2094 in 13 on a base I think its fair to say its close on the 14. God forbid anyone that paid msrp, that's $3121 msrp vs msrp than another $2094 if its true for the 14 invoice. That person just lost $5215!!!

shadoquad 07-29-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by peleincubus (Post 2423379)
I'm not saying if it is right or wrong. My point was it may not actually be a $3600 price drop. It may be $2300-$2600 something like that.

And if I had bought a 2013 and this happened I would at the least be annoyed.

There are a lot of factors that can drop resale, though. Buyer's remorse stings when these things happen, but I wouldn't pop a vessel over it. Enjoy the car you bought. The Z isn't exotic and rare, it will not appreciate in value. What is 3k of difference new may be 500 bucks difference when you sell in 5, 10, 15 yrs.

SS_Firehawk 07-29-2013 12:09 PM

I think Synolimit is trying to become an elite member from one thread.

synolimit 07-29-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2423394)
There are a lot of factors that can drop resale, though. Buyer's remorse stings when these things happen, but I wouldn't pop a vessel over it. Enjoy the car you bought. The Z isn't exotic and rare, it will not appreciate in value. What is 3k of difference new may be 500 bucks difference when you sell in 5, 10, 15 yrs.

and what about the people who want to sell it sooner? as you said this isnt an exotic car or rare. i dont think people will keep a 13 z for 15 years. its not an old 60-70z that i see people still own. to me its just a car, no more, no less. therefore i have an issue with not being able to sell it if i was an owner like some here who are like me. again i leased so nissan can have the expensive turd back in 2016 so i can get a 2016. but i would like to keep it since im putting so much time and money into it. i just dont want to pay so much for it since 14 owners can buy out for so much less.

synolimit 07-29-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2423427)
I think Synolimit is trying to become an elite member from one thread.

just trying to be an advocate and get something done like .50 is trying to do for some.

ElVee 07-29-2013 12:36 PM

Yeah, leasing is another issue and I have no experience there, so, can't comment much on it. But I think it would make sense to ask to adjust the leasing agreement....if you have a car that would have been cheaper now had you waited.

I also have never owned a dealership, but since this is a kickback from corporate, the dealership probably wouldn't be out anything directly anyway, unless they also are getting in the a$$ the same way.

shadoquad 07-29-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2423474)
and what about the people who want to sell it sooner? as you said this isnt an exotic car or rare. i dont think people will keep a 13 z for 15 years. its not an old 60-70z that i see people still own. to me its just a car, no more, no less. therefore i have an issue with not being able to sell it if i was an owner like some here who are like me. again i leased so nissan can have the expensive turd back in 2016 so i can get a 2016. but i would like to keep it since im putting so much time and money into it. i just dont want to pay so much for it since 14 owners can buy out for so much less.

Some people will keep it longer. Leasing is seldom worth it anyway. Advocate away, I still think it was the right move by the company. Sorry for your misfortune?

synolimit 07-29-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2423487)
Yeah, leasing is another issue and I have no experience there, so, can't comment much on it. But I think it would make sense to ask to adjust the leasing agreement....if you have a car that would have been cheaper now had you waited.

I also have never owned a dealership, but since this is a kickback from corporate, the dealership probably wouldn't be out anything directly anyway, unless they also are getting in the a$$ the same way.

exactly. i like another has said, i hope they do adjust it.

i think the dealer is fine because it is just a kickback like you said.

enkei2k 07-29-2013 01:01 PM

Now you got me wondering how all of Europe felt when they changed the prices few months ago

synolimit 07-29-2013 01:01 PM

NEWS!!!!!!

just got off the phone after a 20 min run around. kevin at 457337 extension, 1-800-647-7261, has just approved and created a case for me and sending it to a corporate regional office that will look at my case and give me a call tomorrow. i think if enough people call kevin they will get the point we are all pissed and want something done! now i did tell him that its only been 53 days since ownership so people, for those that bought a year ago, im sorry but i think you're out of luck. lets keep it to like 6 months or under. i told him im pissed, i would have never bought if i knew 50 days later i could save $3600 and i want something done. for me with a lease i at least want my residual to be a few thousand less so i can buy it for a reasonable price at lease end.

shadoquad 07-29-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2423515)
NEWS!!!!!!

just got off the phone after a 20 min run around. kevin at 457337 extension 1-800-647-7261 has approved and created a case for me and sending it to a corporate regional office that will look at my case and give me a call tomorrow. i think if enough people call kevin they will get the point we are all pissed and want something done! now i did tell him that its only been 53 days since ownership so people, for those that bought a year ago, im sorry but i think you're out of luck. lets keep it to like 6 months or under. i told him im pissed, i would have never bought if i knew 50 days later i could save $3600 and i want something done.

So, now it's just ppl who have owned for 6 mo or less who are entitled to be upset? Just want to understand the rules.

synolimit 07-29-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2423519)
So, now it's just ppl who have owned for 6 mo or less who are entitled to be upset? Just want to understand the rules.

If you spent time reading so you know what you're talking about, you'd see me, .50 and another have already discussed this! Getting old repeating myself because you're to lazy to read.

enkei2k 07-29-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2423519)
So, now it's just ppl who have owned for 6 mo or less who are entitled to be upset? Just want to understand the rules.

6 months is a long time IMO. What if someone put in like 30k miles already? Would they still be entitled for a reimbursement? Lots of variables at play.

Personally, if I were Nissan, I'd say 30 days or less. Just seems like 30 days is very common among other goods you buy.

shadoquad 07-29-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2423527)
If you spent time reading so you know what you're talking about, you'd see me, .50 and another have already discussed this! Getting old repeating myself because you're to lazy to read.

I just like how you've arbitrarily set the gripe timer at six months. Good times.

All personal bs aside, I hope they address your concerns. Maybe you should have called them first.

Also, it's "too"

Cmike2780 07-29-2013 01:15 PM

I'm in my forth year of ownership. Do I get anything? I'd settle for a free oil cooler :( ....womp, womp.

shadoquad 07-29-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423529)
6 months is a long time IMO. What if someone put in like 30k miles already? Would they still be entitled for a reimbursement? Lots of variables at play.

Personally, if I were Nissan, I'd say 30 days or less. Just seems like 30 days is very common among other goods you buy.

I don't think they should refund or reimburse anything. Paperwork signed. Price change after the fact. It's business. Caveat Emptor

enkei2k 07-29-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2423534)
I don't think they should refund or reimburse anything. Paperwork signed. Price change after the fact. It's business. Caveat Emptor

Oh, I totally agree with you on that point. I'm not complaining at all. I'm just saying for those others that are pissed that the price went down.

synolimit 07-29-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423529)
6 months is a long time IMO. What if someone put in like 30k miles already? Would they still be entitled for a reimbursement? Lots of variables at play.

Personally, if I were Nissan, I'd say 30 days or less. Just seems like 30 days is very common among other goods you buy.

I agree but a little longer. .50 talked about tires and a tv, but were talking about $3600, not $75. Maybe 90 days?


More news, got a message on my FB comments, nissan wanted my vin, number and dealer. So now I have two sources at nissan looking into this for me.

DEpointfive0 07-29-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2423515)
NEWS!!!!!!

just got off the phone after a 20 min run around. kevin at 457337 extension, 1-800-647-7261, has just approved and created a case for me and sending it to a corporate regional office that will look at my case and give me a call tomorrow. i think if enough people call kevin they will get the point we are all pissed and want something done! now i did tell him that its only been 53 days since ownership so people, for those that bought a year ago, im sorry but i think you're out of luck. lets keep it to like 6 months or under. i told him im pissed, i would have never bought if i knew 50 days later i could save $3600 and i want something done. for me with a lease i at least want my residual to be a few thousand less so i can buy it for a reasonable price at lease end.

Good, I may have had all the problems in the world with my Nissans, but I KNOW there is SOME logic sitting at the desks of the Nissan execs

italy3541 07-29-2013 03:44 PM

I just got off the phone with executive office of Nissan after days of calls and being on hold I spoke to Melissa 615-725-7115 she is as high up as we can go. She offered me a extended service plan but that is much as they will do. I asked to speak to her manager she said no that I could not. I said I want that you won't give me a refund in writing she said no, I said fine I'm gonna record this call then she also said no to that. So basicly we r all screwed they will not do anything. So next step contacting local news Chanel and see if they want the story.

enkei2k 07-29-2013 03:54 PM

For those asking for a refund/adjustment/whatever (Mr. Italy and Mr. Synolimit and possibly others)

- how many miles are on your 2013?

- do you have any mods to your car yet?

Reason I'm asking is because like I said above, if you just bought a 2013 a few months ago and already put in 10k miles on the clock, I'm not sure if they can/will refund you. Same goes for modifications. We all know that they aren't too fond of modding, so they can probably use that as an excuse as well for whatever reason. Unless you go back to stock without them knowing.

If you have, say less than 1k miles and still bone stock in showroom condition, then you have a case, but if it's been used and abused and whatever, I don't know.

onzedge 07-29-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423766)
For those asking for a refund/adjustment/whatever (Mr. Italy and Mr. Synolimit and possibly others)

- how many miles are on your 2013?

- do you have any mods to your car yet?

Reason I'm asking is because like I said above, if you just bought a 2013 a few months ago and already put in 10k miles on the clock, I'm not sure if they can/will refund you. Same goes for modifications. We all know that they aren't too fond of modding, so they can probably use that as an excuse as well for whatever reason. Unless you go back to stock without them knowing.

If you have, say less than 1k miles and still bone stock in showroom condition, then you have a case, but if it's been used and abused and whatever, I don't know.

I did my first modification (Berk cat-back) on my 2013 when she had 93 miles on her. :icon17:

I have only griped on principle -- I expect nothing from Nissan..

italy3541 07-29-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423766)
For those asking for a refund/adjustment/whatever (Mr. Italy and Mr. Synolimit and possibly others)

- how many miles are on your 2013?

- do you have any mods to your car yet?

Reason I'm asking is because like I said above, if you just bought a 2013 a few months ago and already put in 10k miles on the clock, I'm not sure if they can/will refund you. Same goes for modifications. We all know that they aren't too fond of modding, so they can probably use that as an excuse as well for whatever reason. Unless you go back to stock without them knowing.

If you have, say less than 1k miles and still bone stock in showroom condition, then you have a case, but if it's been used and abused and whatever, I don't know.

I have 600 miles on my car. It sits in my garage I only drive on weekends when it's sunny. Mods r cat back exhaust n intake.

Edit: car is like showroom condition as is all my cars. The guys who have met me know how OCD I am about my cars.

synolimit 07-29-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2423766)
For those asking for a refund/adjustment/whatever (Mr. Italy and Mr. Synolimit and possibly others)

- how many miles are on your 2013?

- do you have any mods to your car yet?

Reason I'm asking is because like I said above, if you just bought a 2013 a few months ago and already put in 10k miles on the clock, I'm not sure if they can/will refund you. Same goes for modifications. We all know that they aren't too fond of modding, so they can probably use that as an excuse as well for whatever reason. Unless you go back to stock without them knowing.

If you have, say less than 1k miles and still bone stock in showroom condition, then you have a case, but if it's been used and abused and whatever, I don't know.

I'm under 2k, only CBE.

Like I said from the start, I have a lease and will not be buying it at my current residual. They can have it back. If everyone's smart enough to do the same then nissan will have thousands of cars they can't sell because with a residual of 21k with 14's 2 months later being thousands cheaper, they will eventually be forced to drop the 13 prices to get them off the used lots, period. Do the right thing and drop them now. Again as for buyers I have no idea what will happen besides a longer service like stated by Italy because I don't think they'll shell out cash money.

Shoulda stayed with Subaru where this **** doesn't happen! My 09 was $24,399, a 13 is $25,795 and (foot in mouth possibly) I doubt the 14 will drop killing all 13 owners.

Drex 07-29-2013 04:47 PM

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