2011 370z 7AT w/sportpackage

tnhunter2 · 05-20-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NCSUPACK09

Where your wrong is that i'm not giving him used car prices. I never even look at used car prices and I'm not sure how you figured that based on my original post.

I took the exact same 2010 invoice prices as you $29,474 + $2,602 = $32,076. Now, the base MSRP has risen about $1,200 for 2011, so less just say the invoice went up $800. That gives you:

$32,850 = invoice (fair deal)
$32,350 = 500 below invoice (good deal)
$31,850 = 1000 below invoice (great deal)

Before you start flaming people maybe you should actually look at what they are writing. I was just trying to do the guy a favor by adding everything up for him.

+1 for you.

The largest nationwide car dealer uses kbb, carmax. And my logic is correct. He is getting a new z for the retail price of a used one.

ichris14 · 05-20-2011, 04:25 PM

Hi guys, thanks for your input!
Now I was offered $33,429 by koeppelnissan.
That's the lowest I've got so far out 10 dealers for 2011 auto base sport .. lol

MightyBobo · 05-20-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tnhunter2

+1 for you.

The largest nationwide car dealer uses kbb, carmax. And my logic is correct. He is getting a new z for the retail price of a used one.

Your logic is wrong lol. Apply your concept to other vehicles and it doesnt work at all - its all based on depreciation. You cant just say, "Oh yeah, thats a great deal - KBB says my car is worth XXX after X years and X miles, so the deal offered to you is awesome!". It just happens that KBB thinks your car for retail value (AKA, used, from a dealership with 6K miles) is worth 37K. Nobody is going to pay retail value on a used car with 6k miles, unless they're a complete fool and dont know a thing about buying a vehicle.

In your case, you may have bought your car for invoice price (which was...what, 37-38K?) 2 years ago. Then you just threw up a KBB valuation saying your car is worth....37K after 2 years and 6K+ miles. You think you'll sell that thing for 37K right now? And what connection at all does that have with a new Z? You're saying a brand new Z probably WITHOUT all the bells and whistles (not even same options as you) being offered to him for 37K is a GREAT deal cause your car which HAD all the bells and whistles and is 2 years old is supposedly worth 37K!...which is apples to oranges, of course. 2 cars, 2 years apart, different packages.

He's getting a new Z for invoice price (or less), which is cheaper than a new Z at MSRP. Thats a good deal. Saying he's getting a new Z at the same (or less) price as the retail for a used 2 year old, 6K mile Z means absolutely nothing. At all. Period. It just means a website says your Z is worth so much, and he's getting a better price than that.

MightyBobo · 05-20-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ichris14

Hi guys, thanks for your input!
Now I was offered $33,429 by koeppelnissan.
That's the lowest I've got so far out 10 dealers for 2011 auto base sport .. lol

I'd say you got a good deal there, fo sho. Take it duder. Besides, thats 4K cheaper than the value of a used 2 year old 6K mile Z, that has all the bells and whistles. Thats GOTTA be good......right? lol

MightyBobo · 05-20-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NCSUPACK09

Where your wrong is that i'm not giving him used car prices. I never even look at used car prices and I'm not sure how you figured that based on my original post.

I took the exact same 2010 invoice prices as you $29,474 + $2,602 = $32,076. Now, the base MSRP has risen about $1,200 for 2011, so less just say the invoice went up $800. That gives you:

$32,850 = invoice (fair deal)
$32,350 = 500 below invoice (good deal)
$31,850 = 1000 below invoice (great deal)

I was just trying to do the guy a favor by adding everything up for him.

Lol, I did read what you wrote. You should have elaborated more. Anytime people start talking about "Fair", "Good" or "Great" when it comes to the value of a vehicle, they are GENERALLY talking about the condition of the vehicle. Your post was so vague and lacking any information that it was the safest bet.

Your math seems pretty fair to me, depending on what the true invoice price on the car is, of course.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-20-2011, 07:43 PM

I think pricing also might be affected by when you buy it, but I'm not completely sure. You might be able to get a better deal if you buy in the winter like I did. Back when I was searching in January, I saw some new 7AT's listed as low as $27-28k brand new for the base model. There were also several used ones that were exactly the same, but more expensive. The best prices I saw for a new 7AT with the sport package was around $33k, so you definitely have a good deal there. I got a good deal on mine (7AT touring, certified used) IMO because there was a snowstorm that weekend and I drove through the beginning of it to get the car. It was listed at $28k the beginning of the week and I offered $27k, but they wouldn't budge. 2 days later, they just dropped it to $26k and I went there that weekend to get it.

MightyBobo · 05-20-2011, 08:06 PM

Everything is about supply and demand, really. Nice weather, they're less hard-pressed to get the car off their lot. Winter storm or winter weather? They'll wheel and deal a bit more just to get rid of some extra stock. So yes, time of year can definitely impact sales price.

NCSUPACK09 · 05-20-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lol, I did read what you wrote. You should have elaborated more. Anytime people start talking about "Fair", "Good" or "Great" when it comes to the value of a vehicle, they are GENERALLY talking about the condition of the vehicle. Your post was so vague and lacking any information that it was the safest bet.

Your math seems pretty fair to me, depending on what the true invoice price on the car is, of course.

Fair enough. Like I said, I stole it from my post in another thread, so it was probably missing some detail.

To the OP, I think you can still do better than 33.4k

KaienZ34 · 05-20-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Everything is about supply and demand, really. Nice weather, they're less hard-pressed to get the car off their lot. Winter storm or winter weather? They'll wheel and deal a bit more just to get rid of some extra stock. So yes, time of year can definitely impact sales price.

If you can hold out you will safe.

sucasa · 05-20-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34

If you can hold out you will safe.

agree i bought mine on jan 1 on this year, and got amazing deal on a new 2010 which the dealer was desperate to sell. got mine fully loaded, at slightly above invoice price. timing plays a huge role, especially at month end or when newer model year are beginning to roll onto the lots.

NCSUPACK09 · 05-21-2011, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sucasa

agree i bought mine on jan 1 on this year, and got amazing deal on a new 2010 which the dealer was desperate to sell. got mine fully loaded, at slightly above invoice price. timing plays a huge role, especially at month end or when newer model year are beginning to roll onto the lots.

Good advice, but slightly above invoice is only an OK deal at best. As long as your enjoying the car though it doesn't matter

EL Diablo · 05-22-2011, 10:57 AM

Offer $500 above invoice. That's all I would pay for any new car.
I highly doubt 370's are moving well in this economy right now,

And watch out on the interest rate. The dealer has many ways to try and get the price they want.

Good Luck... Z's are a blast to own.

05-20-2011, 07:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	I think pricing also might be affected by when you buy it, but I'm not completely sure. You might be able to get a better deal if you buy in the winter like I did. Back when I was searching in January, I saw some new 7AT's listed as low as $27-28k brand new for the base model. There were also several used ones that were exactly the same, but more expensive. The best prices I saw for a new 7AT with the sport package was around $33k, so you definitely have a good deal there. I got a good deal on mine (7AT touring, certified used) IMO because there was a snowstorm that weekend and I drove through the beginning of it to get the car. It was listed at $28k the beginning of the week and I offered $27k, but they wouldn't budge. 2 days later, they just dropped it to $26k and I went there that weekend to get it. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

05-20-2011, 08:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	Everything is about supply and demand, really. Nice weather, they're less hard-pressed to get the car off their lot. Winter storm or winter weather? They'll wheel and deal a bit more just to get rid of some extra stock. So yes, time of year can definitely impact sales price. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

05-22-2011, 10:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
EL Diablo Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: USA Posts: 91 Drives: Not a 370Z Rep Power: 14	Offer $500 above invoice. That's all I would pay for any new car. I highly doubt 370's are moving well in this economy right now, And watch out on the interest rate. The dealer has many ways to try and get the price they want. Good Luck... Z's are a blast to own. __________________ The Z Has Left The Building. Thank You & Good Night!

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ichris14 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: in my house Posts: 37 Drives: it Rep Power: 15	Hi guys, thanks for your input! Now I was offered $33,429 by koeppelnissan. That's the lowest I've got so far out 10 dealers for 2011 auto base sport .. lol