Bit the RED Bullit

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 12:28 AM

Well, could have posted in the "New 370Z Owner" subforum but I figured this would have more usefulness here.

So, here we go:

And, BTW, this proves what I had said earlier in a thread about how much to pay for an '09--you should be doing MUCH better than just invoice since the 2010s can be had for invoice.

Used the American Express link (posted somewhere here) and printed off what I could get from a place 39.2 miles away. Basically, for my zip code, it was invoice not counting the usual $720 destination cost, so about $650 below invoice.

Test drove the car. No "ECU" squeal / high-pitch noise. Good firm ride. On the interstate--confirmed the road noise from the rear (no biggie). Handles nicely. Shifting was, well, tough, I guess. But a short throw. Clutch heavier than my RSX. Less visibility (I can get used to it...drove a CRX for a long time).

Came back, parked it and began discussing.

NOW, first of all, if I had my choice, I would have gotten PG color. But, it is HARD around Atlanta to find a car like I wanted: Touring, MT, Navi, and Sport (plates, mats, guards, etc.). Seems someone has decided that if a person wants top of the line, they also want AT. So, the only car falling into that/my category was RED.

So, I told the salesman I didn't like BS games and that I had been around the block a few times in my life (in nicer terms, or course). That I just wanted to get the same kind of deal I could get from this internet connection. Gave him the printout. He disappeard. Going to look for a PG color in Georgia (or possibly TN, AL or FL). About 30 minutes. I was getting restless. So, he comes back and lays out the work page. It has the same price as my printout (invoice - destination), my trade in allowance, and the "out the door" price. The OTD price included taxes, title, etc (well, DUH !). All the figures worked EXCEPT for the cursed BS "tack-on" of $399 for "customer services". This, BTW, was hard-coded in the forms in the paperwork, not added on after the fact. It wasn't a bartering point (even though it's BS). Could be worse...the dealer in Morrow, GA, added in nearly $3,000 worth of costs on a Nismo '09 so that the MSRP final on it was $44,000 !!!. (something about paint protection and other stuff).

So, to make the long story short, discussions of paying $200 to get a PG car with my options on it from 300-400 miles away on Monday and arriving on Tuesday. I had already removed my trade-in from the deal because $13,000 wasn't enough for my '06 RSX type S. So, I wasn't looking forward to someone driving "my" car 300-400 miles and paying an extra $200 for it to be delivered. So, the manager mentioned takeing the RED one I had test driven if he allowed me $600 more for my trade in. I'm not crazy about red but...I countered with make it $1,000 extra and we had a deal. And we shook hands. $14,000 for my RSX S and OTD for $27,500. Before trade in, the invoice price was $37,500 (invoice + destination charge). Taxes and Title brought that to $39,250. Add in that BS (customer services) charge of $450 and the total is $39,700. Subtract $14,000 and you have $25,700.

For those not knowing, by trading in my RSX at less than the price I could sell it at (according to Edmonds), about $16,000, I received a reduction in sales tax equal to $980 that I didn't have to pay. So, it's basically like selling my car for $15,000 and giving it to them after the fact.

Anyway, my points:

I joined here in November, I believe and now I'm an owner after a few months. I believe this forum helped me get the invoice price I got.

I have a sucky red 370Z now (but I'll try to get used to it).

Don't pay more than invoice for a new 2010 370Z.

Oh, and beer is on me tonight.

TARDCORE · 01-24-2010, 12:56 AM

wtf they gave me 11k for my 06 rsxs adn it had less than 51k miles on it. Edmunds quoted a 12k trade adn 15k street sale. It was modded so i took the deal. I only parted out the pieces I knew I would get money for anyway. Crazy. The clutch in the Z is a b*tch to get used to for the first few days. I still have issues when going from 1st to 2nd. I paid $800.00 over invoice for my Z but they kinda had me by the balls since I couldn't find another solid red in so cal with the options I wanted, and man they knew it! Congrats on your new Z!

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TARDCORE

wtf they gave me 11k for my 06 rsxs adn it had less than 51k miles on it. Edmunds quoted a 12k trade adn 15k street sale. It was modded so i took the deal. I only parted out the pieces I knew I would get money for anyway. Crazy. The clutch in the Z is a b*tch to get used to for the first few days. I still have issues when going from 1st to 2nd. I paid $800.00 over invoice for my Z but they kinda had me by the balls since I couldn't find another solid red in so cal with the options I wanted, and man they knew it! Congrats on your new Z!

Thanks for the reply. In actuality, you didn't do that bad at all. Well, except for the invoice pricing you paid above but (this is so f-@k*ng weird!), you traded in the same car I did (but with more miles) and got $1,000 less than Edmonds trade in and I got $500 less than Edmonds rated trade in. Mine was modded, too. I still have the original wheels (instead of the 5Zigens I put on it) and I'll sell them on eBay or CL for an easy $600 shipped. Hell !!! I had ripped off the rear wiper on mine for a better look ! LOL

Just strange as hell we sold the same kind of car for the same year and color Z.

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TARDCORE

wtf they gave me 11k for my 06 rsxs adn it had less than 51k miles on it. Edmunds quoted a 12k trade adn 15k street sale. It was modded so i took the deal. I only parted out the pieces I knew I would get money for anyway. Crazy. The clutch in the Z is a b*tch to get used to for the first few days. I still have issues when going from 1st to 2nd. I paid $800.00 over invoice for my Z but they kinda had me by the balls since I couldn't find another solid red in so cal with the options I wanted, and man they knew it! Congrats on your new Z!

Oh, and sorry. But as to driving...how about these comments...

The RSX (that I whipped around corners and that fit like a "driver's glove" on me) seems small and compact compared to the Z. I swear, the Z drives like a tank compared to it ! It's hard to explain. I mean, we don't go out and LIFT our cars off the ground but something feels so HEAVY about the Z. Compared to the RSX. I'm really going to miss that car !!!

m4a1mustang · 01-24-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Slynky

Oh, and sorry. But as to driving...how about these comments...

The RSX (that I whipped around corners and that fit like a "driver's glove" on me) seems small and compact compared to the Z. I swear, the Z drives like a tank compared to it ! It's hard to explain. I mean, we don't go out and LIFT our cars off the ground but something feels so HEAVY about the Z. Compared to the RSX. I'm really going to miss that car !!!

Well the Z is a physically bigger and heavier car.

Congrats on your purchase. Hopefully you end up liking red. I know it's a love-hate relationship with me. I love it one day, hate it the next.

Blue is my fav color, but not smurf blue, so I got red... the color I hate.

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well the Z is a physically bigger and heavier car.

Congrats on your purchase. Hopefully you end up liking red. I know it's a love-hate relationship with me. I love it one day, hate it the next.

Blue is my fav color, but not smurf blue, so I got red... the color I hate.

Thanks for the reply.

My wife's RSX is a beautiful deep metallic blue. I could have taken that. But, looking at my siggy pic, I really should lay off the silver/graphite colors. That would have been the third one... LOL. And I had the red CRX for about 20 years so...

Yeah, it's heavier but looking at the two cars side-by-side in the garage, the RSX "looks" bigger. Higher off the ground and just as long. The Z should weigh about 600 more pounds. LOL...I remember reading here about someone who drove the new mustang after driving their Z and called the mustang a tank ! Guess I should be glad I didn't opt for THAT one !

m4a1mustang · 01-24-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Slynky

Thanks for the reply.

My wife's RSX is a beautiful deep metallic blue. I could have taken that. But, looking at my siggy pic, I really should lay off the silver/graphite colors. That would have been the third one... LOL. And I had the red CRX for about 20 years so...

Yeah, it's heavier but looking at the two cars side-by-side in the garage, the RSX "looks" bigger. Higher off the ground and just as long. The Z should weigh about 600 more pounds. LOL...I remember reading here about someone who drove the new mustang after driving their Z and called the mustang a tank ! Guess I should be glad I didn't opt for THAT one !

I think that was me. It feels like a tank compared to the Z as there's so much more chassis movement. That's not to say it doesn't drive well -- it just doesn't feel as nimble or as tight as the Z!

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I think that was me. It feels like a tank compared to the Z as there's so much more chassis movement. That's not to say it doesn't drive well -- it just doesn't feel as nimble or as tight as the Z!

Yeah, THAT'S the word to describe it. Nimble. Right now, the RSX I had just whipped around corners. Scared my wife...LOL. And it "felt" light (nimble). I dunno, hard to describe.

As you said, I'll get used to it.

m4a1mustang · 01-24-2010, 09:53 AM

I drove an RSX-S a long time ago, but from what I rememeber I bet the Z's heavier steering makes it feel like it takes more efford to get it through corners. But there is no doubt that a light car is going to feel, we'll, light.

2theextreme · 01-24-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well the Z is a physically bigger and heavier car.

Congrats on your purchase. Hopefully you end up liking red. I know it's a love-hate relationship with me. I love it one day, hate it the next.

Blue is my fav color, but not smurf blue, so I got red... the color I hate.

HEY!

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I drove an RSX-S a long time ago, but from what I rememeber I bet the Z's heavier steering makes it feel like it takes more efford to get it through corners. But there is no doubt that a light car is going to feel, we'll, light.

Yeah, the steering seems a bit heavier but not a whole lot. I'm kind of amazed at the amount of effort to move the shifter, though. It feels like I'm in sub-zero temps (cold lubrication, etc.) even after the car warms up.

Anyway, thanks for the replies and advice/comments.

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 2theextreme

HEY!

Slynky · 01-24-2010, 10:17 AM

Another item I forgot to post, 36-month loan @ 3.75%. Not too shabby.

TARDCORE · 01-24-2010, 08:26 PM

The Z def outhandles the RSX. When I drive this road out to my work I used to push the RSX so hard it would understeer like crazy. One of the turns it would always kick the back end out and another it would get on 3 tires. With the Z I can take every corner 5mph more than I did in my rsx and it feels almost normal as if I wasn't even pushing the car at all. Although the traction control has probably saved me once or twice lol

01-24-2010, 12:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Slynky Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 595 Drives: 2010 Red 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 17	Bit the RED Bullit Well, could have posted in the "New 370Z Owner" subforum but I figured this would have more usefulness here. So, here we go: And, BTW, this proves what I had said earlier in a thread about how much to pay for an '09--you should be doing MUCH better than just invoice since the 2010s can be had for invoice. Used the American Express link (posted somewhere here) and printed off what I could get from a place 39.2 miles away. Basically, for my zip code, it was invoice not counting the usual $720 destination cost, so about $650 below invoice. Test drove the car. No "ECU" squeal / high-pitch noise. Good firm ride. On the interstate--confirmed the road noise from the rear (no biggie). Handles nicely. Shifting was, well, tough, I guess. But a short throw. Clutch heavier than my RSX. Less visibility (I can get used to it...drove a CRX for a long time). Came back, parked it and began discussing. NOW, first of all, if I had my choice, I would have gotten PG color. But, it is HARD around Atlanta to find a car like I wanted: Touring, MT, Navi, and Sport (plates, mats, guards, etc.). Seems someone has decided that if a person wants top of the line, they also want AT. So, the only car falling into that/my category was RED. So, I told the salesman I didn't like BS games and that I had been around the block a few times in my life (in nicer terms, or course). That I just wanted to get the same kind of deal I could get from this internet connection. Gave him the printout. He disappeard. Going to look for a PG color in Georgia (or possibly TN, AL or FL). About 30 minutes. I was getting restless. So, he comes back and lays out the work page. It has the same price as my printout (invoice - destination), my trade in allowance, and the "out the door" price. The OTD price included taxes, title, etc (well, DUH !). All the figures worked EXCEPT for the cursed BS "tack-on" of $399 for "customer services". This, BTW, was hard-coded in the forms in the paperwork, not added on after the fact. It wasn't a bartering point (even though it's BS). Could be worse...the dealer in Morrow, GA, added in nearly $3,000 worth of costs on a Nismo '09 so that the MSRP final on it was $44,000 !!!. (something about paint protection and other stuff). So, to make the long story short, discussions of paying $200 to get a PG car with my options on it from 300-400 miles away on Monday and arriving on Tuesday. I had already removed my trade-in from the deal because $13,000 wasn't enough for my '06 RSX type S. So, I wasn't looking forward to someone driving "my" car 300-400 miles and paying an extra $200 for it to be delivered. So, the manager mentioned takeing the RED one I had test driven if he allowed me $600 more for my trade in. I'm not crazy about red but...I countered with make it $1,000 extra and we had a deal. And we shook hands. $14,000 for my RSX S and OTD for $27,500. Before trade in, the invoice price was $37,500 (invoice + destination charge). Taxes and Title brought that to $39,250. Add in that BS (customer services) charge of $450 and the total is $39,700. Subtract $14,000 and you have $25,700. For those not knowing, by trading in my RSX at less than the price I could sell it at (according to Edmonds), about $16,000, I received a reduction in sales tax equal to $980 that I didn't have to pay. So, it's basically like selling my car for $15,000 and giving it to them after the fact. Anyway, my points: I joined here in November, I believe and now I'm an owner after a few months. I believe this forum helped me get the invoice price I got. I have a sucky red 370Z now (but I'll try to get used to it). Don't pay more than invoice for a new 2010 370Z. Oh, and beer is on me tonight. __________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

01-24-2010, 12:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 16	wtf they gave me 11k for my 06 rsxs adn it had less than 51k miles on it. Edmunds quoted a 12k trade adn 15k street sale. It was modded so i took the deal. I only parted out the pieces I knew I would get money for anyway. Crazy. The clutch in the Z is a b*tch to get used to for the first few days. I still have issues when going from 1st to 2nd. I paid $800.00 over invoice for my Z but they kinda had me by the balls since I couldn't find another solid red in so cal with the options I wanted, and man they knew it! Congrats on your new Z! __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

01-24-2010, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I drove an RSX-S a long time ago, but from what I rememeber I bet the Z's heavier steering makes it feel like it takes more efford to get it through corners. But there is no doubt that a light car is going to feel, we'll, light. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-24-2010, 10:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
Slynky Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 595 Drives: 2010 Red 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 17	Another item I forgot to post, 36-month loan @ 3.75%. Not too shabby. __________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

01-24-2010, 08:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 16	The Z def outhandles the RSX. When I drive this road out to my work I used to push the RSX so hard it would understeer like crazy. One of the turns it would always kick the back end out and another it would get on 3 tires. With the Z I can take every corner 5mph more than I did in my rsx and it feels almost normal as if I wasn't even pushing the car at all. Although the traction control has probably saved me once or twice lol __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE