Bought an GTR. Brandnew. got some issue at carfax?

phelan · 12-23-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Mysterious. Secret. Arcane. Surreptitious. Esoteric. Hidden, Cryptic. Gnostic. Furtive. Mystical. Hermetic. Occult...Something like that.

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motoextreme · 12-23-2009, 11:28 AM

Guy at work has a old 240, bought a skyline front clip that was due to be exported. Took the whole motor and everything else to build this 240.

He's tired of the project now and thinking about selling it but he said the guy only had 3 days before Customs was going to take it. He opted to Chop it up instead....sad story!

Asi · 12-23-2009, 11:36 AM

Luckly in my mystery land .. haha! grey market vehicles here are not Illegal. no law that they can confiscate the cars if it was imported trough grey market

only illegal is the import cars that is already used from another country to this country.

370Zsteve · 12-23-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by motoextreme

Bought my first MV Agusta back before people knew what they were.

Huh? Most World Championships of any make over the better part of a century.

370Zsteve · 12-23-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by motoextreme

That New One is crazy fast...too bad they lost their exclusivity and the design is becoming a little dated. Same bike since 2000 just different paint and motors, time for a new design MV!

No, oh God, please no. From one MV owner to another, stop this madness. Same bike? Just different paint?

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370Zsteve · 12-23-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Asi

Luckly in my mystery land .. haha! grey market vehicles here are not Illegal. no law that they can confiscate the cars if it was imported trough grey market

only illegal is the import cars that is already used from another country to this country.

If everything you do is so "legal", why are you afraid to post where you live?

motoextreme · 12-23-2009, 12:09 PM

Let me clear some things up Steve.

1. Yes, back in 2000 (or was it 99...people new nothing about MV's) other then ads etc. I remember riding it around with my TLR plate because I couldnt get it registered. Can't tell you how many people asked what the heck it was

Ended up selling it to the importer of high end watches in AZ

2. Come on now.... Yes it went from a 750 to a 1000 to the new 312 which is a hell of a bike but the design bike still looks pretty much the same.

I owned a bike shop (as I'm sure you've read elsewhere) and appreciate each and every one. From my old RD400 Daytona to my first sportbike in High School. Had Muzzy build my ZX7R back in 1990 and built a zx7rr in 94.

I love them all and I'll have a pretty rare MV pretty soon to park in my Game room but lets face it...time for a makeover. Aren't you the one with teh Red and Silver one? I tried to buy that Batman Edition one that was on Ebay a few months ago but the guy was CRAZY!!! $40K, he was dreaming!

370Zsteve · 12-23-2009, 12:23 PM

Let me clear some things up Steve.

1. Yes, back in 2000 (or was it 99...people new nothing about MV's) other then ads etc. I remember riding it around with my TLR plate because I couldnt get it registered. Can't tell you how many people asked what the heck it was

Ended up selling it to the importer of high end watches in AZ

I dunno, buddy. Around here any biker outside of the fringed-leather Harley crowd could tell you what an MV was.

2. Come on now.... Yes it went from a 750 to a 1000 to the new 312 which is a hell of a bike but the design bike still looks pretty much the same.

Kind of like a Porsche 911?

I owned a bike shop (as I'm sure you've read elsewhere) and appreciate each and every one. From my old RD400 Daytona to my first sportbike in High School. Had Muzzy build my ZX7R back in 1990 and built a zx7rr in 94.

I know you did and I love you, man. I enjoy the thread on your build, just messin' with you. I strongly disagree that this is "the same bike with differnt paint..." that's just crazy.

I love them all and I'll have a pretty rare MV pretty soon to park in my Game room but lets face it...time for a makeover. Aren't you the one with teh Red and Silver one? I tried to buy that Batman Edition one that was on Ebay a few months ago but the guy was CRAZY!!! $40K, he was dreaming!

I am the one with the Red/Silver. Time for a makeover? Did you even read the text I posted above from the MVusa site? Oh and let's not forget that this company is small and underfunded, just got jettisoned by Harley and may not be around in six months <sigh>.

There is more than one Batman edition, I believe. But I dunno, $40k does not sound too much to me when CCs, etc go for much more. So, I leave you with this, the latest incarnation of the fastest production motorcycle in the world:

http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagu...F4_1078RR.html

motoextreme · 12-23-2009, 12:51 PM

Oh yeah...that is one awesome tidbit of info, quite the bike!

Guess I'm out of touch lately, didnt know Harley had an interest in MV, thought it was Cagiva that owned them. I need to renew my bike mag's

You have a beautiful bike brother, congrat's!!

PS. I'd buy MV (the CO) in a second if I had the $$

j.arnaldo · 12-23-2009, 01:59 PM

The meaning of my last post is arcane!

Iscandar · 02-14-2010, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by matrix_square

dealerships have started using autocheck more than carfax lately. Just thought i`d let you know. I believe autocheck is also more consistent than carfax.

We used it because it is cheaper. CarFax got cocky and became very expensive. They charged dealers alot to use the service. Auto Check was cool and cheap.

nogoodname · 02-14-2010, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Mysterious. Secret. Arcane. Surreptitious. Esoteric. Hidden, Cryptic. Gnostic. Furtive. Mystical. Hermetic. Occult...Something like that.

FuszNissan · 02-14-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Iscandar

We used it because it is cheaper. CarFax got cocky and became very expensive. They charged dealers alot to use the service. Auto Check was cool and cheap.

Auto Check is very inaccurate.

Carfax is the best, and that is why they charge more. They get 3 times the data of any other vendor out there.

You can check a car with Auto Check and it will show clean title, check the same car with Carfax and it will show it was in a bodyshop.

Carfax has more connections to bodyshops, police reports, ect.

Believe me I wish I could use Auto Check becuse it is dirt cheap, but if you have to buy a car back due to a report being wrong(which has happen to me) it will be cheaper in the long run to use Carfax.

Iscandar · 02-14-2010, 12:15 PM

CarFax does have more info. But I hate them because the info they have can be very misleading and ruin a sale. Sometimes..almost all the time the buyers are paranoid to start with. CarFax gives them too much info and they don't know how to understand it. Sometimes you have to control the customer so they will stop running around in circles like headless chickens and buy something. They actually need you to do that for them because many are incapable of making decisions. It's like being a psychologist lol.

CarFax reports accidents and many times it is just a fender or bumper cover. Nothing to do with the structure or integrity of the car. But when customers see "ACCIDENT" they automatically run. Many times it says major accident when it is not the case at all. If you go to the auction where they have 20000-4000 vehicles, I would say 65%-70% of the cars have had some paint work. Fenders, bumpers, etc..You can have a wonderful clean car that had a fender replaced and the Carfax will scare them off. My fathers Highlander was swiped in the intersection. He had to replace the bumper cover and fender. CarFax reported it as a "major" accident. Just ruined the value of his car. It is a one owner driven to work and back for 5 years. Low miles and dealer maintained always. The perfect used car everyone is looking for. But now people will just skip it because some minor paint work. The bumper and fender are OEM Toyota parts btw, not the cheap ones that don't fit.

I think they have too much power to dictate the history of a vehicle. Just because CarFax says something doesn't mean it is word spoken from God. But Joe six pack and Sally soccer mom think so. So they will go down the road and buy a real accident car that was not reported and really get screwed. They could have bought a nice car from a dealer up the road but it had a painted fender and CarFax didn't like it. I have had so many issues with that company. They do more harm then good.

Car enthusiasts usually are not that paranoid. They know about cars and understand things. They already want to buy a car when they come on your lot. They usually know more about the model then the salesman.

If you type Car Fax problems into google you will see hundreds of cases f people getting screwed over by Car Fax, they are like he mafia.

12-23-2009, 11:28 AM	#47 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	Guy at work has a old 240, bought a skyline front clip that was due to be exported. Took the whole motor and everything else to build this 240. He's tired of the project now and thinking about selling it but he said the guy only had 3 days before Customs was going to take it. He opted to Chop it up instead....sad story! __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

12-23-2009, 12:09 PM	#52 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	Let me clear some things up Steve. 1. Yes, back in 2000 (or was it 99...people new nothing about MV's) other then ads etc. I remember riding it around with my TLR plate because I couldnt get it registered. Can't tell you how many people asked what the heck it was Ended up selling it to the importer of high end watches in AZ 2. Come on now.... Yes it went from a 750 to a 1000 to the new 312 which is a hell of a bike but the design bike still looks pretty much the same. I owned a bike shop (as I'm sure you've read elsewhere) and appreciate each and every one. From my old RD400 Daytona to my first sportbike in High School. Had Muzzy build my ZX7R back in 1990 and built a zx7rr in 94. I love them all and I'll have a pretty rare MV pretty soon to park in my Game room but lets face it...time for a makeover. Aren't you the one with teh Red and Silver one? I tried to buy that Batman Edition one that was on Ebay a few months ago but the guy was CRAZY!!! $40K, he was dreaming! __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

12-23-2009, 12:23 PM	#53 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Let me clear some things up Steve. 1. Yes, back in 2000 (or was it 99...people new nothing about MV's) other then ads etc. I remember riding it around with my TLR plate because I couldnt get it registered. Can't tell you how many people asked what the heck it was Ended up selling it to the importer of high end watches in AZ I dunno, buddy. Around here any biker outside of the fringed-leather Harley crowd could tell you what an MV was. 2. Come on now.... Yes it went from a 750 to a 1000 to the new 312 which is a hell of a bike but the design bike still looks pretty much the same. Kind of like a Porsche 911? I owned a bike shop (as I'm sure you've read elsewhere) and appreciate each and every one. From my old RD400 Daytona to my first sportbike in High School. Had Muzzy build my ZX7R back in 1990 and built a zx7rr in 94. I know you did and I love you, man. I enjoy the thread on your build, just messin' with you. I strongly disagree that this is "the same bike with differnt paint..." that's just crazy. I love them all and I'll have a pretty rare MV pretty soon to park in my Game room but lets face it...time for a makeover. Aren't you the one with teh Red and Silver one? I tried to buy that Batman Edition one that was on Ebay a few months ago but the guy was CRAZY!!! $40K, he was dreaming! I am the one with the Red/Silver. Time for a makeover? Did you even read the text I posted above from the MVusa site? Oh and let's not forget that this company is small and underfunded, just got jettisoned by Harley and may not be around in six months <sigh>. There is more than one Batman edition, I believe. But I dunno, $40k does not sound too much to me when CCs, etc go for much more. So, I leave you with this, the latest incarnation of the fastest production motorcycle in the world: http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagu...F4_1078RR.html __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

12-23-2009, 12:51 PM	#54 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	Oh yeah...that is one awesome tidbit of info, quite the bike! Guess I'm out of touch lately, didnt know Harley had an interest in MV, thought it was Cagiva that owned them. I need to renew my bike mag's You have a beautiful bike brother, congrat's!! PS. I'd buy MV (the CO) in a second if I had the $$ __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports Last edited by motoextreme; 12-23-2009 at 12:52 PM. Reason: error

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12-23-2009, 11:36 AM	#48 (permalink)
Asi Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Somewhere Posts: 30 Drives: 10 370z White 7A Rep Power: 185	Luckly in my mystery land .. haha! grey market vehicles here are not Illegal. no law that they can confiscate the cars if it was imported trough grey market only illegal is the import cars that is already used from another country to this country.

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j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	The meaning of my last post is arcane!

02-14-2010, 12:15 PM	#59 (permalink)
Iscandar Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 30 Drives: 2009 370Z Touring Rep Power: 15	CarFax does have more info. But I hate them because the info they have can be very misleading and ruin a sale. Sometimes..almost all the time the buyers are paranoid to start with. CarFax gives them too much info and they don't know how to understand it. Sometimes you have to control the customer so they will stop running around in circles like headless chickens and buy something. They actually need you to do that for them because many are incapable of making decisions. It's like being a psychologist lol. CarFax reports accidents and many times it is just a fender or bumper cover. Nothing to do with the structure or integrity of the car. But when customers see "ACCIDENT" they automatically run. Many times it says major accident when it is not the case at all. If you go to the auction where they have 20000-4000 vehicles, I would say 65%-70% of the cars have had some paint work. Fenders, bumpers, etc..You can have a wonderful clean car that had a fender replaced and the Carfax will scare them off. My fathers Highlander was swiped in the intersection. He had to replace the bumper cover and fender. CarFax reported it as a "major" accident. Just ruined the value of his car. It is a one owner driven to work and back for 5 years. Low miles and dealer maintained always. The perfect used car everyone is looking for. But now people will just skip it because some minor paint work. The bumper and fender are OEM Toyota parts btw, not the cheap ones that don't fit. I think they have too much power to dictate the history of a vehicle. Just because CarFax says something doesn't mean it is word spoken from God. But Joe six pack and Sally soccer mom think so. So they will go down the road and buy a real accident car that was not reported and really get screwed. They could have bought a nice car from a dealer up the road but it had a painted fender and CarFax didn't like it. I have had so many issues with that company. They do more harm then good. Car enthusiasts usually are not that paranoid. They know about cars and understand things. They already want to buy a car when they come on your lot. They usually know more about the model then the salesman. If you type Car Fax problems into google you will see hundreds of cases f people getting screwed over by Car Fax, they are like he mafia.