Question About Future Buying (Nismo)

370zlove3 · 12-08-2009, 01:59 AM

Seems like there is a lot of competition going on with the automakers.
First we have the V6 Mustang which now produces more HP, Chevy's Z28 Camaro, etc... I'm pretty sure Nissan has its radar on sight with them!

I have finally made my decision to wait until next winter to buy a 370Z - I'm probably going to opt for a Nismo but I'm aware of the competition.

I don't know my history with the 350Z but should I wait for next year to see if Nissan will drastically improve the 370Z and the Nismo in terms of performance?

Sure, we get a new color and some some cabin air filter and what not, but with the 350Z's history, will the 370Z get the same treatment in terms of performance? If I have to wait past next year's winter to go buy one, I will. And before anyone call me out on the performance comment, I mean stock specifications and not upgrading with Nissan's accessories aka catback exhaust.

One last question, this has nothing to do with the question above but rather the color. Which color requires the least amount of washing and cleaning to look good? And if you never waxed before or do not plan to, will it be okay?

azn370z · 12-08-2009, 02:15 AM

If you're really thinking of waiting another year to buy a z because you think nissan may increase the hp you may never buy a z. Once they increase the hp in the 370z, the z35 will only be 2 year away or less.

Nissan most likely won't upgrade the engine until the 4th model year if ever. And when they do increase the power it will most likely be by 10-20 hp.

Silver requires the least amount of care and I usually wash my z every 6 months. But when I wash it I use zaino and take a couple hours.

coaster · 12-08-2009, 02:41 AM

There will always be something better and greater in the future. I would suggest that you get something that you can enjoy now. You can always add power later! Good luck!

Forrest · 12-08-2009, 05:10 AM

I agree with the above. There is always going to be something better. Also i dont think there will be a major increase in HP.

theDreamer · 12-08-2009, 07:27 AM

First, the V6 Mustang may produce more power than the current Z but it does not mean it will be faster (Straight/curve/etc.). The V6 Mustang is meant to compete against the V6 Camaro for the economy car.
Second, the Z28 Camaro is still yet unconfirmed, one day they say it is on and the next it is not. I would really not bet on a still rumored car being produced, and only look at what they currently have.
There will always be something faster produced the next year from someone, but what you need to do is find the car that fits you today and when you buy do not worry about other cars.

areyouin729 · 12-08-2009, 08:18 AM

Sounds like all you want to do is say you have the fastest car, not the car you like the best

HP does NOT equal fastest car

Nismo isn't worth buying just for a few extra HP, you can do that on your own, the wheels, aero package, interior, and spoiler set the Nismo off.

vipor · 12-08-2009, 08:42 AM

The Nismo IS NOT faster than the regular Z34 really. It's faster around the corners due to the upgraded suspension and wider tires. I bought my Nismo for the upgraded suspension, body, and wheels. I did not put much faith into the extra 18hp that it claims to have.

sidenote: the stock Z is faster than the new mustang, both v6 and GT (not 500).

370Zsteve · 12-08-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

The Nismo IS NOT faster than the regular Z34 really. It's faster around the corners due to the upgraded suspension and wider tires. I bought my Nismo for the upgraded suspension, body, and wheels. I did not put much faith into the extra 18hp that it claims to have.

sidenote: the stock Z is faster than the new mustang, both v6 and GT (not 500).

Do we have Nismo dyno numbers that show the 18hp increase or is it vapor, vipor?

vipor · 12-08-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Do we have Nismo dyno numbers that show the 18hp increase or is it vapor, vipor?

i didn't say it wasn't more powerful, i said it wasn't faster.

speed_BMW330i · 12-10-2009, 01:08 AM

Dude, best bet is to test drive them both and see which car you prefer.

Unless you plan on tracking your ride, you're probably not going to notice an increase or decrease in 18 HP or some other number.

When you're talking about cars with 300 HP, another 18 HP is not really going to make a "world" of difference.

On the other hand, if you need a four seater (i.e, kids, pets, third wheel who always invites himself along, etc...), then that's more likely to play a role in whether you get a four-seater (Camaro, Mustang, BMW 135i, or G37), or if you're willing to sacrifice space for styling (370Z or Vette or a used Lotus).

Need, Budget and Styling Preferences will almost always trump whatever any magazine says about who is faster or who has more HP.

Martin

Matt · 12-10-2009, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Do we have Nismo dyno numbers that show the 18hp increase or is it vapor, vipor?

There's a thread around here somewhere that shows the Nismo dyno at 295-301, which is about 16-19 above baseline Z dynos (279-284). That doesn't translate to the track very well, as the 0-60s and 1/4 miles are either tied, or leaning to the non-Nismos advantage.

As many people have stated, getting the Nismo for performance above the base is silly. Getting the Nismo should be for the laundry list of other upgrades/features.

vipor · 12-10-2009, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

There's a thread around here somewhere that shows the Nismo dyno at 295-301, which is about 16-19 above baseline Z dynos (279-284). That doesn't translate to the track very well, as the 0-60s and 1/4 miles are either tied, or leaning to the non-Nismos advantage.

As many people have stated, getting the Nismo for performance above the base is silly. Getting the Nismo should be for the laundry list of other upgrades/features.

performance as in handling, not speed. these aren't mustangs people, they're designed to TURN.

Matt · 12-10-2009, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

performance as in handling, not speed. these aren't mustangs people, they're designed to TURN.

My post wasn't directed towards you or your comments at all. Sorry for the confusion.

LETSGOEERS06 · 12-08-2009, 09:08 AM

They have a vid. on youtube that tests the ford mustang gt against the 370 and genesis the Z killed them in all categories....

dang370z · 12-08-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LETSGOEERS06

They have a vid. on youtube that tests the ford mustang gt against the 370 and genesis the Z killed them in all categories....

that vid was hot stuff

i think white is easiest to keep
might be the area but most white cars I see looks clean until you stand in front of it

12-08-2009, 01:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
370zlove3 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 73 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 16	Question About Future Buying (Nismo) Seems like there is a lot of competition going on with the automakers. First we have the V6 Mustang which now produces more HP, Chevy's Z28 Camaro, etc... I'm pretty sure Nissan has its radar on sight with them! I have finally made my decision to wait until next winter to buy a 370Z - I'm probably going to opt for a Nismo but I'm aware of the competition. I don't know my history with the 350Z but should I wait for next year to see if Nissan will drastically improve the 370Z and the Nismo in terms of performance? Sure, we get a new color and some some cabin air filter and what not, but with the 350Z's history, will the 370Z get the same treatment in terms of performance? If I have to wait past next year's winter to go buy one, I will. And before anyone call me out on the performance comment, I mean stock specifications and not upgrading with Nissan's accessories aka catback exhaust. One last question, this has nothing to do with the question above but rather the color. Which color requires the least amount of washing and cleaning to look good? And if you never waxed before or do not plan to, will it be okay?

12-08-2009, 02:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	If you're really thinking of waiting another year to buy a z because you think nissan may increase the hp you may never buy a z. Once they increase the hp in the 370z, the z35 will only be 2 year away or less. Nissan most likely won't upgrade the engine until the 4th model year if ever. And when they do increase the power it will most likely be by 10-20 hp. Silver requires the least amount of care and I usually wash my z every 6 months. But when I wash it I use zaino and take a couple hours. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

12-08-2009, 05:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 259	I agree with the above. There is always going to be something better. Also i dont think there will be a major increase in HP. __________________ my pictures http://www.the370z.com/members/forrest-albums-370z.html

12-08-2009, 07:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	First, the V6 Mustang may produce more power than the current Z but it does not mean it will be faster (Straight/curve/etc.). The V6 Mustang is meant to compete against the V6 Camaro for the economy car. Second, the Z28 Camaro is still yet unconfirmed, one day they say it is on and the next it is not. I would really not bet on a still rumored car being produced, and only look at what they currently have. There will always be something faster produced the next year from someone, but what you need to do is find the car that fits you today and when you buy do not worry about other cars. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-08-2009, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	The Nismo IS NOT faster than the regular Z34 really. It's faster around the corners due to the upgraded suspension and wider tires. I bought my Nismo for the upgraded suspension, body, and wheels. I did not put much faith into the extra 18hp that it claims to have. sidenote: the stock Z is faster than the new mustang, both v6 and GT (not 500). __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

12-08-2009, 02:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
coaster Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Jose Posts: 249 Drives: 09 370z PW 6MT Rep Power: 17	There will always be something better and greater in the future. I would suggest that you get something that you can enjoy now. You can always add power later! Good luck!

12-08-2009, 08:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
areyouin729 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Conshohocken Age: 43 Posts: 301 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 17	Sounds like all you want to do is say you have the fastest car, not the car you like the best HP does NOT equal fastest car Nismo isn't worth buying just for a few extra HP, you can do that on your own, the wheels, aero package, interior, and spoiler set the Nismo off.

12-10-2009, 01:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
speed_BMW330i Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 107 Drives: 2006 BMW 330i Auto Rep Power: 17	Dude, best bet is to test drive them both and see which car you prefer. Unless you plan on tracking your ride, you're probably not going to notice an increase or decrease in 18 HP or some other number. When you're talking about cars with 300 HP, another 18 HP is not really going to make a "world" of difference. On the other hand, if you need a four seater (i.e, kids, pets, third wheel who always invites himself along, etc...), then that's more likely to play a role in whether you get a four-seater (Camaro, Mustang, BMW 135i, or G37), or if you're willing to sacrifice space for styling (370Z or Vette or a used Lotus). Need, Budget and Styling Preferences will almost always trump whatever any magazine says about who is faster or who has more HP. Martin

12-08-2009, 09:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
LETSGOEERS06 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Morgantown,WV Age: 40 Posts: 116 Drives: 06 Jeep GC Overland Rep Power: 16	They have a vid. on youtube that tests the ford mustang gt against the 370 and genesis the Z killed them in all categories.... __________________ 2006 Grand Cherokee Overland Whats the worst thing about loosing to a 5000lb SUV Having to tell your friends what just handed you your a$$ - SRT8

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