1st Time Ordering and Negotiation Questions

jwick · 04-07-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MegaMazz

Yes, I've only looked locally though. It seems that they don't have may 370Zs where I am, let alone the Sport Tech. Maybe because the Sport Tech is still fairly new? I guess I should expand my search, or I might get lucky and find one in my area.

A lot of times you can find one in another state that is discounted enough to cover your airfare and gas to drive it home. Look in more northern climates where they can't drive them all year. They typically sit longer than they would in Florida where you can drive it all year.

MegaMazz · 04-07-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHyperbole

The MSRP of a manual transmission 2015 370Z Sport Tech with splash guards, illuminated kick plates, floor mats, and trunk mat is $38,560 including destination. The automatic is $1,300 more, or $39,860. I'm not sure where you got $41,500 from, unless you were adding some obscure (and overpriced) accessories.

If you are able to get $4,000 off the MSRP, that would be a very good discount for a 2015 considering that the leftover 2014s are being discounted at about that same rate.

So you would be at $34,560 for the manual transmission plus your 6% state sales tax, which would put you at about $36,634 OTD (plus any license and dealer fees). falconfixer said you should be between $36,000 and $37,000 OTD, but I wonder if he presumptively and erroneously based that on the the $41,500 figure you provided. Would he now say that you should be between $33,000 and $34,000 OTD based on the correct MSRP? That would be about $7,000 off MSRP. What incentive does a dealership have to let someone order a 2015 370Z with a $7,000 discount, or even a $4,000 discount for that matter?

As others have said, your best bet is finding one in stock somewhere that is equipped the way you want it. Then you can deal with an actual unit that needs to be sold.

I calculated it as automatic transmission and the missing accessory is the Nismo exhaust. That is how the site gave me the MSRP. However, I see now that the overwhelming response is to find one to get a better deal and not to find the "perfect" version of the 370Z I want.

BehindSpace · 04-07-2015, 06:17 PM

you will get a bigger discount IF you can convince your dealer to order because it wont be sitting on their lot. Most dont like to order though because theyre scared you'll back out the deal. you'll get a better deal financing through nissan america than paying for cash.

FPenvy · 04-08-2015, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

A lot of times you can find one in another state that is discounted enough to cover your airfare and gas to drive it home. Look in more northern climates where they can't drive them all year. They typically sit longer than they would in Florida where you can drive it all year.

i found my Z in Louisiana after 2-3 months of searching.

flw down and drove it 1300 miles straight home.

KMO-II · 04-08-2015, 08:56 AM

I never go above dealer invoice, MSRP is always inflated and varies from dealership to dealership. Do some number crunching and present your dealer of choice with the lowest price you found and make them match it, or beat it, or walk away, trust me they will call u back a few hours or days later, because the longer the car stays on the lot, the longer they still are paying for it, plus the 350z -370z - NISMO's don't move off the lots that quickly and they want to sell them desperately, trust me I had two, a 2013 370z NISMO and Now a 2014 370z NISMO, homework is key, you have to be well schooled and versed on what youre talking about, if you sound or seem clueless, they will try and take advantage.. Good Luck !

JARblue · 04-08-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaMazz

However, I see now that the overwhelming response is to find one to get a better deal and not to find the "perfect" version of the 370Z I want.

That's not what I read at all. The overwhelming response is don't overpay for what you want. You shouldn't have to settle for a Z that doesn't have everything you want, and you should be able to get it at a reasonable price.

Your original post stated that you had no car buying negotiation experience. So you are a prime candidate to get worked over by a scummy dealer. Know that you can always walk away. Do not sign anything without reading it and make sure everything they say is actually in writing in the contract. Since you're not financing, you don't have to worry about the terms of a lease/loan, making it a bit easier to go through all the paperwork.

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Originally Posted by MegaMazz

the missing accessory is the Nismo exhaust.

All that being said, don't buy the Nismo exhaust from the dealer. You can get them used on the forum for several hundred bucks - just keep your eye open in the classifieds. There is absolutely no reason to pay whatever outrageous price the dealer is asking.

cautupwitdm · 04-08-2015, 10:18 AM

Yeah, like mentioned above you can get the nismo exhaust much cheaper slightly used shipped and installed for way less than dealer.
OP, do you really like the nismo exhaust, or was that just the only option you had to replace the stock from the dealer? There are a decent amount of nismo exhausts for sale because for many owners, it's not aggressive enough nor the best "exotic" sounding. Many others offer same or better performance too.

MegaMazz · 04-08-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cautupwitdm

Yeah, like mentioned above you can get the nismo exhaust much cheaper slightly used shipped and installed for way less than dealer.
OP, do you really like the nismo exhaust, or was that just the only option you had to replace the stock from the dealer? There are a decent amount of nismo exhausts for sale because for many owners, it's not aggressive enough nor the best "exotic" sounding. Many others offer same or better performance too.

The exhaust was just something I was looking to replace. My friend had a new Infinity G35 in high school, with a dealer upgraded exhaust and it sounded very nice. I figured a dealer upgrade would be fine. I'm not looking for anything too loud, exotic is the right word you chose. However, I'm not familiar with aftermarket parts, and figured what Nissan offers would be easy to deal with. It's really not a deal breaker,but if someone has a better recommendation I would take it into consideration.

ShoFamous · 04-20-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaMazz

Yes, I've only looked locally though. It seems that they don't have may 370Zs where I am, let alone the Sport Tech. Maybe because the Sport Tech is still fairly new? I guess I should expand my search, or I might get lucky and find one in my area.

I looked nationwide for my Z and got it for quite a bit less then what the dealerships here in Texas wanted. If you can find dealer stock that they have been sitting on (still kinda new, I know) &/or in a part of the country where the Z doesn't sell well (bought mine from Arkansas), you'll have plenty of buying power right off the bat.

What's more expensive, a one way plane ticket or a $4000 dealer markup? Good luck!

SwissCheese · 04-20-2015, 08:39 PM

Here's a question for everyone that traveled a long ways to get their Z. Do you contact the dealer beforehand at all? I assume you would want to contact them to at least make sure that it hasn't been sold already, but when you get there you don't tell them that you traveled X-hundred miles to come look at it, do you? Wouldn't that give them a little bit of leverage?

J123456 · 05-09-2015, 07:41 PM

Quick question guys.
I'm shopping for a new 2015 Nismo base with 6 speed. Most of the dealers are asking way to high. Like $45k-$48k.
Realistically, how much should I offer Out The Door? I did a search around but haven't really find anything yet.

Cheers.

cautupwitdm · 05-09-2015, 10:57 PM

Truecar.com in socal for a nismo base mt is about 39.5

J123456 · 05-10-2015, 02:01 AM

Awesome. Thanks man.

need4speed255 · 05-10-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by J123456

Quick question guys.
I'm shopping for a new 2015 Nismo base with 6 speed. Most of the dealers are asking way to high. Like $45k-$48k.
Realistically, how much should I offer Out The Door? I did a search around but haven't really find anything yet.

Cheers.

To give you an idea, I got the same car you are shopping for at $39,800. That price is with all fees thrown in but minus sales tax. The options included with that price were illuminated kick plates, floormats, trunk mat, and cargo cover. Based on Trucar I got it below invoice. The only string attached was that I had to finance through Nissan for three months and then I can pay it off. I wanted to pay off the car when purchased but the dealer wouldn't give me the price I wanted(39,800) if I paid cash. So in the end the financing for three months would add around $250 to the total amount paid.

Since you are in California the price may vary.

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Originally Posted by cautupwitdm

Truecar.com in socal for a nismo base mt is about 39.5

This price looks like it may be without any options.

J123456 · 05-10-2015, 01:18 PM

Awesome. $39.8k is an excellent deal. I'll try to talk to them see what's going on. Thanks man.

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Originally Posted by need4speed255

To give you an idea, I got the same car you are shopping for at $39,800. That price is with all fees thrown in but minus sales tax. The options included with that price were illuminated kick plates, floormats, trunk mat, and cargo cover. Based on Trucar I got it below invoice. The only string attached was that I had to finance through Nissan for three months and then I can pay it off. I wanted to pay off the car when purchased but the dealer wouldn't give me the price I wanted(39,800) if I paid cash. So in the end the financing for three months would add around $250 to the total amount paid.

Since you are in California the price may vary.

This price looks like it may be without any options.

04-08-2015, 08:56 AM	#20 (permalink)
KMO-II Base Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: new mexico Posts: 189 Drives: 370Z NISMO - 2014 Rep Power: 5014	Purchase I never go above dealer invoice, MSRP is always inflated and varies from dealership to dealership. Do some number crunching and present your dealer of choice with the lowest price you found and make them match it, or beat it, or walk away, trust me they will call u back a few hours or days later, because the longer the car stays on the lot, the longer they still are paying for it, plus the 350z -370z - NISMO's don't move off the lots that quickly and they want to sell them desperately, trust me I had two, a 2013 370z NISMO and Now a 2014 370z NISMO, homework is key, you have to be well schooled and versed on what youre talking about, if you sound or seem clueless, they will try and take advantage.. Good Luck ! ShoFamous and need4speed255 like this.

04-08-2015, 10:18 AM	#22 (permalink)
cautupwitdm Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 88 Drives: 10 SR M6 SPT Rep Power: 13	Yeah, like mentioned above you can get the nismo exhaust much cheaper slightly used shipped and installed for way less than dealer. OP, do you really like the nismo exhaust, or was that just the only option you had to replace the stock from the dealer? There are a decent amount of nismo exhausts for sale because for many owners, it's not aggressive enough nor the best "exotic" sounding. Many others offer same or better performance too. __________________ GTHaus Meisterschaft GTS Exhaust (Round) \| CNT Racing HFC \| Stillen 19 Row Oil Cooler \| Carbotech Brake Pads \| Eibach Anti-Roll Sway Bars \| K&N Drop-In Filters \| UpRev \| Clutch Helper Spring \| Password JDM Shift Knob \| GTR Push Start Button

04-20-2015, 08:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
SwissCheese Track Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 785 Drives: 2012 370Z NISMO Rep Power: 67	Here's a question for everyone that traveled a long ways to get their Z. Do you contact the dealer beforehand at all? I assume you would want to contact them to at least make sure that it hasn't been sold already, but when you get there you don't tell them that you traveled X-hundred miles to come look at it, do you? Wouldn't that give them a little bit of leverage? __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Nissan 370Z NISMO #0389 Mods: Fast Intentions Resonated Test Pipes and TDX Exhaust with 18" Resonators (#1054), K&N Drop-Ins, GTR Start Button

05-09-2015, 10:57 PM	#27 (permalink)
cautupwitdm Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 88 Drives: 10 SR M6 SPT Rep Power: 13	Truecar.com in socal for a nismo base mt is about 39.5 __________________ GTHaus Meisterschaft GTS Exhaust (Round) \| CNT Racing HFC \| Stillen 19 Row Oil Cooler \| Carbotech Brake Pads \| Eibach Anti-Roll Sway Bars \| K&N Drop-In Filters \| UpRev \| Clutch Helper Spring \| Password JDM Shift Knob \| GTR Push Start Button

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