Originally Posted by Ron don't we have that already? yes, i was saying i hope that continues instead of just being a DCT style transmission like the GTR where no
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10-12-2011, 04:47 PM | #76 (permalink) |
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yes, i was saying i hope that continues instead of just being a DCT style transmission like the GTR where no 3 pedal option is offered (tho it is a great transmission)
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I already stated that the Juke R was just a fun thing they were doing. and that it wasn't headed for production.. BUT, perhaps they are doing it for more then a can we... the Juke platform for the next Z? possible.. yes.. likely, probably not.. but perhaps they are seeing what is viable.. I really don't know where you get your numbers from, but adding forced induction doesn't have to raise the price to high 50's low 60's. especially if they are using technology already in use, and adapting it to a new model. I don't get your why was the z32 not feasable to go FI.. because it was FI.. and it was full of cool stuff like HICAS(which is admittedly garbage... ) I dog my Z32 auto TT and it runs strong, aside from the weak alternator, but its an OEM alt from 91... my Manual TT is being rebuilt, but there wasn't really anything wrong with it.. just wanted MORE out of it..
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why would the next Z be based on a FWD SUV platform like the Juke? the price of the Z would have to raise to the 50-60k range for F/I because of the added cost of the extra components as well as the ability to give it at least the standard warranty. that's what killed them. they sold the Z32 very close to what it cost them to make it (which was very expensive for the time). when people started trashing transmissions and rear axles it cost them a lot of money to replace those parts under warranty. now they could release a TT Z again and do the GTR method of "if you break it, you fix it but we'll cover everything else" but that would only make a bad situation worse. it's much easier for them to warranty an N/A car and they are happy to let companies like Stillen and GTM develop forced induction kits to put on the cars for the owners who want them which takes the liability of the warranty off the car. that's basically what it comes down to and that's straight from the "source" i talked to
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BECAUSE they already have existing technology
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but i honestly think that a FI version would be nice. Part of my assumption for them so drastically raising the GTR HP each year is to create distance for when the next Z comes out. Plus, having a transmission in the back is actually something I like and would prefer them to do, giving them more room in the engine back, better balance and dynamics. As much as we also want to think that staying NA and letting other companies is the easy way out, its not when they want to reach some of the new strict Emissions and MPG standards. FI is the way to go to achieve those. Of course could not do it in the Z and let the other cars bring their averages up. I would prefer a non FI option around 28k starting, an FI option around 40k starting. the 12 diff is more than enough for them to still make it worth while. They could use the same block, structure and transmission housings, etc Maybe just tweak the internals and head work for the FI and then of course all the other necessary components. And it would still make them a profit. All in all if the next Z isnt in the 450 range its not my next car. |
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10-12-2011, 05:14 PM | #84 (permalink) |
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i'm not saying this is what I want in the next Z car. i'm just saying this is what i heard from an industry insider... this is how it will be, not what it should be
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I take what you say with a grain of salt, as I am in good with an insider as well.
Im not saying what you are saying is wrong, but that nothing is set in stone, and FI is ALWAYS an option
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Suspension systems/design. Rubber compounds for tires. Traction / laucnh controls. Just because you have 450hp doesnt mean your using it all the time. For any vehicle on the track there are always situations where you have more power than is needed thus you feather the throttle etc etc. Would be no different here. More HP doesnt mean larger brakes. Heavier car = bigger brakes. Braking is relative to speed/weight etc. A car with 200hp can do 100mph as can a car with 300hp or 400hp etc. ohh i wouldnt want the standard car at 450. Im talking a 450hp ish version. my idea is that it should be via FI thus looking at the expensive model. base model should be good around what the current Z is. Now granted a good sports car should have larger brakes regarless. But it doesn thave to be ridiculously large. |
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10-12-2011, 05:28 PM | #88 (permalink) |
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was this person that you are referencing saying that it will be forced induction? i will say that the person i was talking to is very high up on the totem pole for nissan and they were echoing (granted in more detail) things that i had heard previously from people who have already seen the next Z (which is already done btw, just fine tuning settings and suspension) as well as other corporate people from Nissan itself that attend the Z events that i go to
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also, the idea of a rear mounted trans is really cool but not really needed at this time. the Z34 is pretty close to a 50/50 weight balance. most of the weight at the front is behind the front wheels and the majority of the weight in the back of the car is focused near the rear axle so i don't think they can justify the extra cost of making a transaxle vs using the traditional transmission and differential setup that it currently has.
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