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FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 03:45 PM

Clutch issue!
 
My clutch just suddenly lost all pressure

does this mean my clutch is done?

I don't think I can drive it normally at this point

jaytirbhaw 01-16-2015 03:58 PM

More than likely CSC (Concentric Slave Cylinder) failure, Clutch should be fine

TerribleONE 01-16-2015 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 3083636)
More than likely CSC (Concentric Slave Cylinder) failure, Clutch should be fine

Yep sounds like the CSC

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 03:59 PM

thank you

I just searched it and found the sticky....

kenchan 01-16-2015 04:01 PM

all these mods are useless with a broken csc... :mad:

|| RAYS G25 || Mine's || M7 T-Titan || RE-11 || KW V3 || Berk || SPC || Project Mu || Aerotect || Clarion || JL W3 || Ichiba || TRS ||
Password:JDM SUCKSARSE! || Rockford Fosgate ||

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3083644)
all these mods are useless with a broken csc... :mad:

|| RAYS G25 || Mine's || M7 T-Titan || RE-11 || KW V3 || Berk || SPC || Project Mu || Aerotect || Clarion || JL W3 || Ichiba || TRS ||
Password:JDM SUCKSARSE! || Rockford Fosgate ||

thanks for the support as always kenchan :icon17:

just called the stealership and they said they couldn't tell if it was a CSC failure issue until they diagnosed the car...guess I'm taking it to them since they said it might be covered under warranty...

Now i need to take the front bumper off so the tow truck can get my car onto the bed...

I have a CPA exam tomorrow morning @8am...the timing couldn't be any worse

kenchan 01-16-2015 04:18 PM

:icon17: yah, dat sucks. :mad: how much clutch fluid in your reservoir?

Zbrah 01-16-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG (Post 3083671)
thanks for the support as always kenchan :icon17:

just called the stealership and they said they couldn't tell if it was a CSC failure issue until they diagnosed the car...guess I'm taking it to them since they said it might be covered under warranty...

Now i need to take the front bumper off so the tow truck can get my car onto the bed...

I have a CPA exam tomorrow morning @8am...the timing couldn't be any worse

Which section are you taking? I'm scheduled for Reg the 14th next month.

90 ST 01-16-2015 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG (Post 3083671)
thanks for the support as always kenchan :icon17:

just called the stealership and they said they couldn't tell if it was a CSC failure issue until they diagnosed the car...guess I'm taking it to them since they said it might be covered under warranty...

Now i need to take the front bumper off so the tow truck can get my car onto the bed...

I have a CPA exam tomorrow morning @8am...the timing couldn't be any worse

You should be able to just bolt in the hook and a few boards will get you there, I've had to have my Z flatbeded a few times, and that's all we've ever had to do.

Oh and if you have warranty left then yes it should be covered.

kenchan 01-16-2015 04:45 PM

but he has an amuse body kit and all...

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3083674)
:icon17: yah, dat sucks. :mad: how much clutch fluid in your reservoir?

stupid question... where can I locate it?
I couldn't find it

and also when I went to the car to check the fluid level, this is what I saw....

I'm assuming the cap at the top right corner belongs to brake fluid reservoir...

the cap was off and it was place on the windshield and the hood closed...

last time this hood was opened was when the dealership had it last month....

Could I have been driving over a month with the cap off like that?

wft?

edit: that's the clutch fluid reservoir smh.....

I've closed it but the level is very low

Would filling this up fix the issue?

z man 01-16-2015 05:17 PM

edit: that's the clutch fluid reservoir smh.....

I've closed it but the level is very low

Would filling this up fix the issue?


I would top it off with brake fluid, close the top, let the car run and see if the pressure builds back up. If the clutch pedal comes back to normal and after driving the car, the fluid goes back down....it's your CSC. If your fluid does not leak and stays at the appropriate level then your problem my have been just the loss of fluid. Keep a check on the fluid level, as this will give you an answer to your problem. In the event you have to replace the CSC, I would not recommend going back to a stock one, as they have a short life span and will fail again! 50,000 miles and on my third one! This part is an on-going problem with standard transmissions and has been since 05 and the 350z. You may want to research the aftermarket CSC's, as they seem more durable than the stock ones!

I would be very surprised if your warranty covers it, as if it does, you are one of the few people, that Nissan has decided to cover it! Just, FYI

JARblue 01-16-2015 05:31 PM

I would put money on it being your CSC. Even if your fluid level isn't dropping, the seals on the CSC could still be compromised and letting air get into the system. It's a common problem.

Don't get another OEM CSC if you can avoid it. There are several aftermarket ones available (check Z1 and ZSpeed). Make sure you also replace the CMC at the same time.

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 06:03 PM

thanks fellas

I've tried tipping off the fluids but did not work

guess I'm off the to dealership

wish me luck and I'll try to see if the dealership can get an aftermarket CSC

JARblue 01-16-2015 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG (Post 3083814)
wish me luck and I'll try to see if the dealership can get an aftermarket CSC

Since I see you have a Platinum Graphite, I assume it is out of warranty. Or do you have an extended warranty? If it's not under warranty, I recommend you try to find a high quality performance shop to do the work. Consider yourself lucky if the dealer agrees to install an aftermarket part. It's not totally unheard of, just extremely rare. If it's under warranty, your best bet may be to eat the cost of the aftermarket part of your choice ($300ish vs $100ish for OEM CSC) and get the dealer to do the labor under warranty. If you're really lucky, you might even get them to reimburse you the cost of an OEM CSC to offset your costs a bit. Don't hold your breath.

I will reiterate the CMC replacement. If you don't replace it, the chances are high that it will fail soon. They are prone to failure as well. Although it is not a labor-intensive install like the CSC.

axmea? 01-16-2015 07:04 PM

Welcome to the club. It is exclusive. You know, only we get that sunken feeling that comes with that sunken clutch pedal.

90 ST 01-16-2015 07:42 PM

I would change the fluid at the very least, even if the clutch does come back, that's some dirty crap in there.

JARblue 01-16-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 3083886)
I would change the fluid at the very least, even if the clutch does come back, that's some dirty crap in there.

I've started changing my clutch and brake fluid once a year under the assumption that the more dirty crap in the fluid, the more likely it is to get past the seals in the crappy OEM CMC or CSC. Its an easy DIY and only costs ~$50US for enough Motul RBF600 fluid for both systems.

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3083691)
Which section are you taking? I'm scheduled for Reg the 14th next month.

audit... wish me luck lol

JARblue 01-16-2015 10:36 PM

Those are serious tests. Good luck man :tiphat:

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My wife worked for a local public accounting firm for almost 5 years after school while trying to pass those exams. They wouldn't even let her out of work on Saturdays during tax season to study for a Monday test. She was getting 73s on BEC three tests in a row even with Becker; it was brutal and costly. She finally got fed up and found a job in the private sector working under a CFO nearing retirement. She managed to pass all four tests easily within a year :tup:

There's a reason the really big firms pay you $80K+ straight out of school to sit at a desk for six months and study and pass those tests.

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3083708)
but he has an REP amuse body kit and all...

fixed lol :tup:

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3084006)
Those are serious tests. Good luck man :tiphat:

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My wife worked for a local public accounting firm for almost 5 years after school while trying to pass those exams. They wouldn't even let her out of work on Saturdays during tax season to study for a Monday test. She was getting 73s on BEC three tests in a row even with Becker; it was brutal and costly. She finally got fed up and found a job in the private sector working under a CFO nearing retirement. She managed to pass all four tests easily within a year :tup:

There's a reason the really big firms pay you $80K+ straight out of school to sit at a desk for six months and study and pass those tests.

Thank you
I'm using Becker also and this would be my last exam left
and yes you're right about those big firms lol

Zbrah 01-16-2015 10:49 PM

Awesome! Good brother. You can do it man. Give me an update how it goes.

Just wondering do you have any audit background? I'm in tax so I'm going to do the other three first leaving the hardest one to me last so I have more time to study.

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 10:59 PM

No audit background
I hate audit lol

Zbrah 01-16-2015 11:17 PM

:tup: i feel the same! Kill it mang!

tnav 01-16-2015 11:18 PM

What dealership are you taking too? Most won't do aftermarket, also post feedback in the warranty results

FairladyZ10PG 01-16-2015 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3084028)
:tup: i feel the same! Kill it mang!

Thanks! same to you

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Originally Posted by tnav (Post 3084030)
What dealership are you taking too? Most won't do aftermarket, also post feedback in the warranty results

Metro nissan

They're supposed to call me tomorrow morning to confirm the issue
I'll ask them about the aftermarket parts and if they say no then I guess
I'm :icon23:ed out lol

I'll provide an update tomorrow

mishuko 01-17-2015 09:58 AM

Add a quick check to every other week or so prior to leaving.

Check your oil level, pop the section where the clutch reservoir, glance over the other fluids...

Atleast you will notice when things change with regular checks and can help reduce the chance of surprises.

axmea? 01-17-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tnav (Post 3084030)
What dealership are you taking too? Most won't do aftermarket, also post feedback in the warranty results

Alternative dealerships: Duarte and Fontana Nissan will.

FairladyZ10PG 01-17-2015 02:29 PM

Ok an update
Dealer just called me and said they need new cylinder, replace the clutch, and might need new flywheel. Quoted me $3500....
And to no one's surprise it wont be covered under warranty.
Taking it to another local shop and hoping the flywheel doesn't need to be changed sigh
Still gonna cost me around $1500 assuming flywheel si fine

FairladyZ10PG 01-17-2015 03:08 PM

Can anyone recommend a good aftermarket flywheel?
The stock costs $1000 which im not willing to pay for

Zbrah 01-17-2015 03:33 PM

Sorry to hear that bro. Check this thread out for some info what you may need
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...-csc-work.html

DOOMMONKEY777 01-17-2015 03:46 PM

Damn no wonder dealers are such a rip off, sooo much for the shittiest crap on the market OEM. U can get twin OS Giken for that price + hd csc. Really 3.5k for stock garbage, really?

FairladyZ10PG 01-17-2015 07:34 PM

Update:

Spoke to the dept manager and he told me that it was the worst case scenario
And they won't know for sure if the clutch & flywheel are indeed damaged
At this point only thing they are sure of is that CSC did fail
And needs to be replaced
Going to my shop to get a new estimate monday morning

tonythetiger 01-17-2015 08:20 PM

zspeedperformance is what i have no issues so far, close to 1,000 miles

DOOMMONKEY777 01-17-2015 08:24 PM

Ye that dealer is jerking u off.

JARblue 01-17-2015 10:40 PM

Call up Joe@ZSpeed and tell him your needs. He will hook you up with the best product for you at a great price :tup:

MJB 01-18-2015 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG (Post 3084378)
Ok an update
Dealer just called me and said they need new cylinder, replace the clutch, and might need new flywheel. Quoted me $3500....
And to no one's surprise it wont be covered under warranty.
Taking it to another local shop and hoping the flywheel doesn't need to be changed sigh
Still gonna cost me around $1500 assuming flywheel si fine

So if you are taking it to another shop, then I am assuming they didn't even remove the transmission? So how the hell would they know you need a new flywheel and clutch. I'm not sure about our stock flywheel, but most can be turned, just like a rotor. Same old story... csc goes bad, and instead of replacing a 100 dollar part the dealer tries to make you buy all new clutch components.

FairladyZ10PG 01-18-2015 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MJB (Post 3084636)
So if you are taking it to another shop, then I am assuming they didn't even remove the transmission? So how the hell would they know you need a new flywheel and clutch. I'm not sure about our stock flywheel, but most can be turned, just like a rotor. Same old story... csc goes bad, and instead of replacing a 100 dollar part the dealer tries to make you buy all new clutch components.

So true. That's what I said.

But he said they're trained to tell customers the worst case scenario :icon14:

I was like whatever

They were charging me $2400 to replace the CSC and some other related components :shakes head:

tnav 01-18-2015 10:43 AM

If you must take it to a dealership, I would have Fontana Nissan do it ... from personal experience, I would not take it to any other Nissan Dealer. Also, while pulling the trans out, you can upgrade a few things, which other Dealerships won't do most likely.

DOOMMONKEY777 01-18-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG (Post 3084643)
So true. That's what I said.

But he said they're trained to tell customers the worst case scenario :icon14:

I was like whatever

They were charging me $2400 to replace the CSC and some other related components :shakes head:

They r smoking that crack yo.:icon14:


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