Thoughts on a base C6

JoeD

Are you not taking into consideration that the added cost of the Corvette buys you a car that unequivocally embarrasses the 370Z in any measure of performance?

Absolutely not. Please do some research...go a track-event or perhaps drive both.

Take a look at official Nurburgring lap-times as one indication. A 2007 LS2 Corvette Z51 lapped The Ring in 7:59, tying the 997 Carrera S down the second. Sources also list a 2009 Carrera S as only being 1-second quicker, but mind you, we're comparing an '07 Z51 to an '09 Carrera S. The '08+ Corvette with an LS3 is significantly faster.

If that's not enough, browse through the 2007 Lighting Lap issue of C&D ( The Lightning Lap, 2007 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver ), where the 2007 Corvette beat the 997 Turbo by 2-seconds around VIR (as well as the Audi R8). Again...this is the older, LS2 Corvette, not the current LS3. If you want to talk about the Z06, that went on to beat the GT3 by over 2-seconds in that test, to boot.

Now I won't put it past you to dismiss this as paper-racing or bench-racing...call it what you will, but results are results. I personally have raced a 2008 Corvette Z51 as well as a Z06 around Infineon Raceway and Thunderhill, as well as HPDEs (non-competitive) at Laguna Seca. Yes, there were Porsches on the track at the same time, so I know what these cars can and can't do. Oh, and feel free to toss the comparisons out because the Corvettes exampled have the $1,600 Z51 option, while you noted "base C6." Either way...your argument is moot.

To summarize, strictly in terms of track-performance: '08+ Z51 > 997 Carrera/S/Turbo...C6 Z06 > GT3...ZR1 > any car on non R-compound street-tires.

Please get your information straight. Thanks.

JoeD

I wouldn't go that far. Range Rover makes the world's premier luxury-SUVs. When it's running properly and the instrument-cluster is not lit up like a Christmas tree...they are fantastic.

Why would you wan't to go "around a corner at high speed" in an SUV?

JoeD

LOL. I'm sure he meant 1.14. Hey...his name is Pharmacist, not Mathematician.

JoeD

Never be that cheap? My brother picked up his brand new '08 Corvette with the Z51-package, NPP exhaust, and Comp. Grey wheels for $42,500. That's more than $2,600 in options compared the quoted $39,900 for the stripped version.

Damn...how many strikes is that?

MightyBobo

...what the hell are you talking about? I don't like calling people out, but talk about a narrow-minded approach to cars, with the most stereotypical of views.

Obviously you are going for nothing more than a perceived image (an image you conjured up in your head and agree with yourself). Rednecks only drive Corvettes? Well educated professionals only, drive 370's? Hilarious.

Are you seriously even REMOTELY saying that the LSX motors are low-tech piles of junk and since the VQ37 has some new-age stuff its better simply because of that? Better yet, it only has decent straight line acceleration, and cant out handle a Z?

WELCOME....TO THE INTERNET. Many things can be done here, including research. I suggest you do that before posting again.

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RatedZ

The moment I scanned his post and saw, "Vettes are crap," I immediately quit reading, quickly realizing he doesn't know a thing about cars.

Pharmacist got prescribed the wrong drugs...

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i had a base 05 C6. and have driven a newer LS3.

i would take a 40K nismo Z over a 40K base C6 anyday, the Z is alot more fun to drive and has better interior

my dad is thinking of trading in that 05 C6 and getting one of the new grand sports for his 63rd Bday... im interested to drive that car if he gets it

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ZPirate

Actually I have seen brand new 1LTs on the Corvette Forum advertised by forum dealers for as low as $38,900 in the last year. In today's market Corvettes are selling for below invoice. There are some great deals out there for C6 Corvettes if you want one. Check out the Corvette Forum's C6 Dealer Inventory or Corvette's For Sale Sections and you'll see what I mean.

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ZPirate

I agree with you MC. The Z is alot more fun to drive. And I am a Corvette owner.

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Greg

+1

Brings me back to all those...ZZTopp vs Pretty much everyone ,times..



Yup its a IBTL type deal no noubt...

These types of threads always turn into:

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Pharmacist

I'm going by MSRP, genius. Canadian msrp at that. Over here, the stripped out base vette is 68 k. Base Z (what you call touring in your country) is 40 k, and with sport package is around 44 k, so 44X1.5 = 66. Understood? Or should I draw a diagram

Interesting. Never anticipated vettes being that cheap. That definitely has to be at invoice or even less. ok, you get me on that one. Now why are they being discounted so much? Are they heavily subsidized by GM? Or is it that no one wants to buy them? If anything, being discounted so much is actually a negative for a sports car. You won't see such deals on a 911 or an m3.

hahaha, very funny, NOT! So everyone who knows about cars must love corvettes, and anyone who doesn't like corvettes doesn't know a thing about cars. What an open minded, intelligent, logical arguement

Sorry, I missed all those european noblety, ex-formula 1 drivers, indian maharajas, business executives, etc.... driving corvetes.

Face it, the vette is a blue collar car coveted mostly by nascar lovers, dale jr wannabes, rednecks, etc... who like to pretend they are driving a red white and blue all american supercar rivaling porshe, ferrari, etc...

Of course, the thought of that is too hard to comprehend for many americans. You saying a pushrod, camshaft in the block, 2 valves per head is actually a technological marvel They've been designing engines like that since the 1960s and probably before. They're so powerful only because they're so big, but efficiency wise, pound for pound, LS engines are subpar compared to other engines from nissan, audi, bmw, porsche, ferrari, etc......

If one of those companies made a 6.2L engine, it would probably make 500-600 hp, not just 438. Here RoadandTrack.com -- Cover Story - The Fast & The Frugal: Chevrolet Corvette Z51 (8/2008)

All the handling stats are either same as or slightly less than z sport package. Now its your turn to take your own advice and go search the net before posting

Pharmacist

How so? Drop an overbloated v8 into a z34 platform and you'll get a car everybit as good as the vette. Except for engine power, the Z is every bit a match for the Vette, if not even better. Braking, cornering, lateral grip, handling, transmission, suspension, wheels, tires, interior, quality, reliability, image, looks, etc.....

Actually even engine wise, the z is far superior to that piece of junk vette. The Z makes 89.7 hp/L of displacement to the vette's 70.6. Also, Z makes 73 lb ft of torque/L of displacement to the vette's 69. Pound for pound, the z is the superior car.

The Z is state of the art. And the vette was awesome around the same time dinosaurs roamed the earth. Think about it. The Z is sold worldwide. The vette, you'll have a hard time finding any outside america.



Well, the nurburgring is a very long track that has a lot of long very high speed straights, so it's predictable the v8 powered vette would perform well comparable to the carrera (which I always thought should have had way more power than they actually come with). On a tighter twistier track with slower overall speed, the carrera should be able to outhandle the vette.

If that's not enough, browse through the 2007 Lighting Lap issue of C&D ( The Lightning Lap, 2007 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver ), where the 2007 Corvette beat the 997 Turbo by 2-seconds around VIR (as well as the Audi R8). Again...this is the older, LS2 Corvette, not the current LS3. If you want to talk about the Z06, that went on to beat the GT3 by over 2-seconds in that test, to boot.

Now I won't put it past you to dismiss this as paper-racing or bench-racing...call it what you will, but results are results. I personally have raced a 2008 Corvette Z51 as well as a Z06 around Infineon Raceway and Thunderhill, as well as HPDEs (non-competitive) at Laguna Seca. Yes, there were Porsches on the track at the same time, so I know what these cars can and can't do. Oh, and feel free to toss the comparisons out because the Corvettes exampled have the $1,600 Z51 option, while you noted "base C6." Either way...your argument is moot.

To summarize, strictly in terms of track-performance: '08+ Z51 > 997 Carrera/S/Turbo...C6 Z06 > GT3...ZR1 > any car on non R-compound street-tires.

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Don't have time to read this article. More on that later. But were all these numbers taken on the same day and time? I noticed it said an 07 audi r8 in the chart, but the article talked about an 08 audi r8. If this is pooled data from different occasions, they are worthless.

Modshack

Wow.....The car bigotry runs rampant here. Almost sounds live the Corvette forum where you dare not mention you drive (or even like) other brands of cars..

It's also interesting that some with the strongest "opinions" have never owned a late model vette, some have never driven one, and some, I suspect, don't even own a 370.

Carry on children......

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