Second Oil Analysis by Blackstone (with Nissan Ester)

Spooler · 01-02-2015, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

This is why I run redline, can't beat the Mo! Zinc and Phos are your other wear metals you want! The 99 Mo is mobil 1.

And as far as I know redline and Motul use the best stock, Polyol-ester.

Hmm, I see your silicon levels are well in line with what I would expect. The Ops above appear to be higher. Hence, I was hinting at a leak somewhere causing unfiltered air to pass into the engine.

felix0121 · 01-02-2015, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

Well keep one thing in mind...dealers hire a ton of $8-$10hr whoevers to do their tires and oil changes. They normally have maybe one A tech that will never see your car. Service writers are also anyone looking for a job that usually don't know their butt hole from an arm pit. Everyone there I can guarantee doesn't care about Nissan let alone your Z. It's just a job, plan and simple! The best work you'll ever get on your car is from you. Or a least being on here find some local buddies to help you out or by chance befriend the A tech some how. This only comes from years of experience in the business. I wouldn't trust a dealer as far as I can throw them. Also...you seem very hell bent on following what Nissan tells you to. I'd do my own research on this. They tell you what to do safely for legal purposes. They can't tell you to break in a motor properly because of lawsuits and people killing themselves. Same goes with bedding in brakes. I'm not saying stop what you're doing, I'm just saying think outside the box and dont drink so much of their coolaid haha.

Just a quick example, Subaru swore by a 7500 mile oil change or 3750 under extreme conditions but forgot to test the 3 micro screens in banjo bolts on the turbos and else where. The long changes and people listening caused a lot of blown issues when the screens clog. Now they say ALL turbo motors are extreme and to change at 3750. People on forums also knew this way before and removed the screens. I think this a good example of don't alway listen to the manufacturer and keep your ear to the ground here from the people that know.

yeah

not biased, keep balanced.

I agree, not sarcastic. really seriously.

I'll keep your recommendation.

Thanks for the info buddy

synolimit · 01-02-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

He's getting the oil changed and services done. I don't believe everyone at all the dealers is out to get you....LOL I don't use the Nissan oil either. I will only use a Nissan oil filter for my own reasons.

No I'm not saying that, I'm saying be careful when you do. Don't expect the royal treatment from a bunch of kids.

synolimit · 01-02-2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Hmm, I see your silicon levels are well in line with what I would expect. The Ops above appear to be higher. Hence, I was hinting at a leak somewhere causing unfiltered air to pass into the engine.

Well this was a WRX with a k&N 3" cone. A Z has 2 of them so maybe they'll be higher since you are getting more air in.

nis350 · 01-02-2015, 06:55 PM

Wondered if anyone had a report with regular dino oil? I imagine that there are some people use regular dino oil on this motor. I believe some dealers use dino oil on the g37's. Not to say it is good or bad, just the fact that they do.

synolimit · 01-03-2015, 02:27 AM

Check out bob the oil guy or something forum. You'll find more on oil you'll care to see.

shaun66 · 01-03-2015, 04:22 AM

Gonna change oil this week. Hopefully my motor likes Mobil 1! Judging by that oil analysis maybe not so much. hmmm

nis350 · 01-03-2015, 03:07 PM

the reason I asked about dino oil is because I want to see if it is just as good as the expensive oil if the change interval is 3k-4k miles. i have heard many think that the good dino oil is just as good with short change interval.

I've personally used mobile-1 full synthetic for decades on all my cars with good results.

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

Check out bob the oil guy or something forum. You'll find more on oil you'll care to see.

nis350 · 01-03-2015, 03:10 PM

not sure how significant those stats are relative to the real engine longevity. While it is a different engine, my friend changed oil (dino) every 15-16k on his Camry and have no oil related engine issues at over 250k miles.

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Originally Posted by shaun66

Gonna change oil this week. Hopefully my motor likes Mobil 1! Judging by that oil analysis maybe not so much. hmmm

synolimit · 01-03-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nis350

the reason I asked about dino oil is because I want to see if it is just as good as the expensive oil if the change interval is 3k-4k miles. i have heard many think that the good dino oil is just as good with short change interval.

I've personally used mobile-1 full synthetic for decades on all my cars with good results.

Depends. Dino oil breaks down really fast. The best to worst list is basically how long the oil stays oil with use under low to high extremes. Do a track day or get your oil above 200+ degrees and expect the dino oil to kill your motor fast. Redline on the other hand you'll be able to use for the 24 hours of Le Mans. As the oil breaks down and shears off that's when you want your micro lubricants to be there. Again Redline kills Mobil 1 for example. RL uses a better base and more Mo, Z, and Ph. For DD I still wouldn't use dino oil as it won't be synthetic. You still want the motor to not wear out.

synolimit · 01-03-2015, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nis350

not sure how significant those stats are relative to the real engine longevity. While it is a different engine, my friend changed oil (dino) every 15-16k on his Camry and have no oil related engine issues at over 250k miles.

And I believe it. But do a compression test and dyno it. This is why motors lose power over time. I bet it's no where near stock.

DEpointfive0 · 01-03-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nis350

not sure how significant those stats are relative to the real engine longevity. While it is a different engine, my friend changed oil (dino) every 15-16k on his Camry and have no oil related engine issues at over 250k miles.

That's a Toyota. That's made by people who know how to build cars. They fix themselves

nis350 · 01-03-2015, 07:27 PM

I am referring to just DD. Tracking is a completely different ball game and I do believe that you should use the best oil there is due to the extreme condition. I don't know exactly how a good dino comparing to a synthetic under normal driving condition with relatively short change interval. I use M-1 full synthetic just in case and it is just a few dollars more per change (diy).

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

Depends. Dino oil breaks down really fast. The best to worst list is basically how long the oil stays oil with use under low to high extremes. Do a track day or get your oil above 200+ degrees and expect the dino oil to kill your motor fast. Redline on the other hand you'll be able to use for the 24 hours of Le Mans. As the oil breaks down and shears off that's when you want your micro lubricants to be there. Again Redline kills Mobil 1 for example. RL uses a better base and more Mo, Z, and Ph. For DD I still wouldn't use dino oil as it won't be synthetic. You still want the motor to not wear out.

nis350 · 01-03-2015, 07:32 PM

I am sure there were tests done by the independent labs in a control environment. I would really like to see the results myself.

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

And I believe it. But do a compression test and dyno it. This is why motors lose power over time. I bet it's no where near stock.

nis350 · 01-03-2015, 08:13 PM

i take that you're being facetious... Our motor is just fine.

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

That's a Toyota. That's made by people who know how to build cars. They fix themselves

01-03-2015, 02:27 AM	#51 (permalink)
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