Multiple Engine for Next Z? from Nissan VP

90 ST · 12-06-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

That plus a tune -- done!

Hey if you have enough of them...Video proof, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U81_0waqEWA

Spooler · 12-07-2014, 12:46 AM

Well, that last of the true Z's are done it sounds like. I will not buy a Mercedes engine transplanted Z. Somehow I see all this as a bunch of rumors.

AlWakRa · 12-07-2014, 05:20 AM

Not a new member, but I am a new 370z owner.

I bought my 370z recently although the speculation of a new model is all the place. My reasons was an acceptable weight, great engine, reasonable price and availability of aftermarket parts. Saying that, I wouldn't mind a turbo engine as it would mean higher capability for power plus a lighter chassis. But I have a thing for naturally aspirated engines and this was why I didn't wait.

Now about Z35, the positive of the rumours we have
- Weight less than current generation.
- Multiple power plants (means better market share).
- Cheaper.
The negatives:
- Mostly, new engines will have less power (I think Nissan will be satisfied with having the same performance level of 370z unlike us).
- Turbo? It has its good points but I would choose NA any day.
- I expect the bigger engines to be more expensive than current generation.
- Convertible only? I won't touch it at all.

On current information available, I can say Z35 is a no. Better keeping my 370z or going to Porsche. (Recently I tried the Carrera S, GT3 and Turbo S in the track, tbh I am trying to avoid splashing all my savings on the GT3, this machine is a monster

I will be a happy poor man lool)

Anyway, we will wait the Z35 hoping it will be better.

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Nargrakhan · 12-07-2014, 06:07 PM

I have a question:

What's Nissan's logic for using a Mercedes engine? Nissan has a wide selection of proven models and is no slouch at improving/boosting them to higher performance standards. What the rational for Nissan to outsource/partnership the next Z?

Also... what's Mercedes' getting out of this?

FL 4Motion · 12-07-2014, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nargrakhan

I have a question:

What's Nissan's logic for using a Mercedes engine? Nissan has a wide selection of proven models and is no slouch at improving/boosting them to higher performance standards. What the rational for Nissan to outsource/partnership the next Z?

Also... what's Mercedes' getting out of this?

Iirc, they have a tech sharing agreement, similar to bmw and Toyota. Keeps costs down for both parties.

Chuck33079 · 12-07-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Well, that last of the true Z's are done it sounds like. I will not buy a Mercedes engine transplanted Z.

I would be all over a 2900 lb Z with the motor from the AMG CLA. That 4 is beastly.

Zerocool · 12-07-2014, 07:19 PM

Dunno how I feel about a hybrid Z or even a Z with an MB engine. Not take anything away from the MB but to me it's not Z heritage. I despise convertibles so I wouldn't be interested in one.

I think I'll stick with my z34 unless the reveal is mind blowing.

Chuck33079 · 12-07-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerocool

Dunno how I feel about a hybrid Z or even a Z with an MB engine. Not take anything away from the MB but to me it's not Z heritage.

Wouldn't be the first time. The L24 had a lot of slightly tweaked MB DNA since Prince had a licensing agreement to build MB knockoff motors and Nissan bought Prince.

Zerocool · 12-07-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Wouldn't be the first time. The L24 had a lot of slightly tweaked MB DNA since Prince had a licensing agreement to build MB knockoff motors and Nissan bought Prince.

Yeah I read that as well.

I think I'm really worried about the way the car's going to look and perform. So far they're saying it's going to be lightweight and smaller etc. I just don't want it to look similar to a FRS/BRZ.

I personally feel as if the Z34's body/styling is gorgeous. The car looks almost perfect. It's the right size and I probably wouldn't be interested in a smaller car (considering this is my daily driver). Maybe a 3.0 turbocharged motor wouldn't be a bad idea for the smaller car but I'm also comparing the Z to perform against the v8 camaro's, mustang's.

carlitos_370z · 12-08-2014, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The Z is a done deal. It's been designed, engines have been chosen, maybe minor details are undecided. All of this shyt being thrown around in the internet is bait info to keep the forums going.

Pretty sure the Z will...
1.Have 2 or 3 engines including a turbo & Benz influences
2.Will be 100lbs/200lbs lighter.
3. Have a shape much closer to 240z

Thats what I believe will be true out of all rumors

I hope God hear you

falconfixer · 12-08-2014, 05:04 PM

rant on

How many GD times do you need to hear that the MB engine is being built by Nissan technicians in a ******* plant down here in TN? Do any of you MB haters even come out of your caves to educate yourselves on alliances? You really want to piss and moan about brands? How about Nissan is nothing more than a Renault?

rant off/

I still like the rumor that the next-gen is getting a mass produced version of the current R35 powerplant.

AlWakRa · 12-09-2014, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerocool

Maybe a 3.0 turbocharged motor wouldn't be a bad idea for the smaller car but I'm also comparing the Z to perform against the v8 camaro's, mustang's.

Until now I think the Z has its own class, they compare it usually with Cayman, Audi TT, BMW Z4 and SLK but the price range differentiate it from the others. Here in Qatar, they compare it to Camaro, Mustang and Challenger which they have a similar price tag with less performance (at least in straight line and this is why its not popular here). Maybe they want to have some share from competitors and this is why they are making it smaller. Personally, I hope they target Camaro and Mustang with nearly the same acceleration figures but superior to them in track and I hope they keep NA 6 cylinder as option.

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Originally Posted by falconfixer

rant on

How many GD times do you need to hear that the MB engine is being built by Nissan technicians in a ******* plant down here in TN? Do any of you MB haters even come out of your caves to educate yourselves on alliances? You really want to piss and moan about brands? How about Nissan is nothing more than a Renault?

rant off/

I still like the rumor that the next-gen is getting a mass produced version of the current R35 powerplant.

I don't oppose MB engines (I know some have different opinion) if Z went FI way, we will be left with very limited options for NA powered cars. Some people would prefer NA even though FI engines has a lot of advantages.

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Nargrakhan · 12-09-2014, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falconfixer

You really want to piss and moan about brands? How about Nissan is nothing more than a Renault?

45% Renault actually... with some sort of emergency eject clause that lets Nissan buy back controlling shares in the event Nissan feels Renault is trying to take full command. I believe the deal happened when Nissan was in bankruptcy (or recovering from one), so that had a lot to do with it...

But yea... everything you say is true.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-09-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Honestly I can't see them cutting much weight. Unless they get rid of a lot of technology and overall shrink the car dimensions there really isn't much left to cut for weight. Not to mentions this new model will have to comply with new standards for safety which always adds weight.

Consider the FRS. Even with removal of the backseat it's still going to be at 2800lbs, just to keep numbers even. Add in a V6 and weight will easily approach the 3000lbs mark. Add in more luxury and technology that will have to be in the car to compete in todays market for a 30k+ car. Now your at least at 3100lbs. Add in updated safety standards, maybe 3200lbs now. That's best case scenario. Once you start talking about 19 inch or 20 inch wheels and large brakes/rotors, and all the other goodies the weight will go even higher. Add on turbos, intercoolers, and plumping and even more weight comes.

I think for a V6 sports car we won't see lower weight than where we are now. The only way the Z will weight less is with a smaller engine. Honestly I'm okay with 3200-3400lbs for a car as long as the suspension and power is there. I've driven/owned cars like the C7, Camaro 1LE, Various corvettes, Audi R8 V10, Porsche turbo, etc that all have weights equal to or higher than 3300lbs. They are were all a blast to drive. Yes, in a perfect world I'd love a sub 3000lbs car with 400hp but being realistic I'd rather they give us a decent engine while working on keeping the weight where it's at. Nothing short of 400hp is going to keep the Z alive since 400 is the new 300 in the car industry

There isn't as high amount of tensile steel, aluminum & carbon fiber they can use. There's a very doable 200 lbs that can be shed.

Nargrakhan · 12-09-2014, 01:33 PM

Doesn't the Stingray weigh around 3300 lbs? It's a V8 with 4 seats .

***EDIT***
Ignore 4 seat comment. Moment of being stupid. Editing so it doesn't start a chain of replies just pointing out the dumb comment.

12-07-2014, 05:20 AM	#33 (permalink)
AlWakRa Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Qatar Posts: 600 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 13450	Not a new member, but I am a new 370z owner. I bought my 370z recently although the speculation of a new model is all the place. My reasons was an acceptable weight, great engine, reasonable price and availability of aftermarket parts. Saying that, I wouldn't mind a turbo engine as it would mean higher capability for power plus a lighter chassis. But I have a thing for naturally aspirated engines and this was why I didn't wait. Now about Z35, the positive of the rumours we have - Weight less than current generation. - Multiple power plants (means better market share). - Cheaper. The negatives: - Mostly, new engines will have less power (I think Nissan will be satisfied with having the same performance level of 370z unlike us). - Turbo? It has its good points but I would choose NA any day. - I expect the bigger engines to be more expensive than current generation. - Convertible only? I won't touch it at all. On current information available, I can say Z35 is a no. Better keeping my 370z or going to Porsche. (Recently I tried the Carrera S, GT3 and Turbo S in the track, tbh I am trying to avoid splashing all my savings on the GT3, this machine is a monster I will be a happy poor man lool) Anyway, we will wait the Z35 hoping it will be better. Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk carlitos_370z likes this. __________________ 2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by: Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk My Humble Journals

12-07-2014, 06:07 PM	#34 (permalink)
Nargrakhan Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Nowhere Posts: 176 Drives: Nothing Rep Power: 11	I have a question: What's Nissan's logic for using a Mercedes engine? Nissan has a wide selection of proven models and is no slouch at improving/boosting them to higher performance standards. What the rational for Nissan to outsource/partnership the next Z? Also... what's Mercedes' getting out of this? carlitos_370z likes this.

12-07-2014, 07:19 PM	#37 (permalink)
Zerocool Track Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: N.Y Posts: 548 Drives: '09 370z Rep Power: 15	Dunno how I feel about a hybrid Z or even a Z with an MB engine. Not take anything away from the MB but to me it's not Z heritage. I despise convertibles so I wouldn't be interested in one. I think I'll stick with my z34 unless the reveal is mind blowing. carlitos_370z, BC416 and Spooler like this. __________________ I like pizza

12-08-2014, 05:04 PM	#41 (permalink)
falconfixer Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 10aC Posts: 978 Drives: Taco Rep Power: 76	rant on How many GD times do you need to hear that the MB engine is being built by Nissan technicians in a ******* plant down here in TN? Do any of you MB haters even come out of your caves to educate yourselves on alliances? You really want to piss and moan about brands? How about Nissan is nothing more than a Renault? rant off/ I still like the rumor that the next-gen is getting a mass produced version of the current R35 powerplant. RicerX likes this. __________________ Bitch ex wife's scumbag lawyer made sure this went away.

12-09-2014, 01:33 PM	#45 (permalink)
Nargrakhan Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Nowhere Posts: 176 Drives: Nothing Rep Power: 11	Doesn't the Stingray weigh around 3300 lbs? It's a V8 with 4 seats . *EDIT* Ignore 4 seat comment. Moment of being stupid. Editing so it doesn't start a chain of replies just pointing out the dumb comment. Last edited by Nargrakhan; 12-09-2014 at 07:02 PM.

12-07-2014, 12:46 AM	#32 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,845 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Well, that last of the true Z's are done it sounds like. I will not buy a Mercedes engine transplanted Z. Somehow I see all this as a bunch of rumors.

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