VERY CONFLICTED: 07'-08' 335i coupe vs New 370z

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 3SeventyZ

335i's with the vishnu piggyback and boltons are making 370HP if they're lucky.
Last time I checked the 370Z is making 400HP+ easy with a plug-n-play FI kit.
Reliability is an issue on any car that has increased the power significantly.
I'm pretty sure the 335i has had issues. Small issues, but issues nonetheless.
Plus the 335i coupe weighs almost 300lbs more if I remember correctly.

I guess it all comes down to personal interest and the owner's purpose for the car.
Plus, I have a biased opinion.

Well that's very kind of you to remind me.

There are two TT G37's (fireboy AAM TT?,christians GTM TT) in my area one of them took it to the track on the 500hp(IIRC) settings and was able to produce a 12.6 @ 116ish? in the 1/4. Obviously the 370z should post better times due to its weight but the difference shouldn't be too drastic (.5 or more). True, 335i's have trouble making 400hp+ with bolt ons yet can dip into 11 sec in the 1/4, it's all in their powerband.

I agree with you on the reliability thing but lets just say I have seen from experience, numerous unhappy owners due to having problems with their FI'd G/Z.

Totally understandable you having a biased opinion but I just don't like it when people are slightly misinformed and i'm super bored at work today

ianthegreat · 10-06-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 3SeventyZ

335i's with the vishnu piggyback and boltons are making 370HP if they're lucky.
Last time I checked the 370Z is making 400HP+ easy with a plug-n-play FI kit.
Reliability is an issue on any car that has increased the power significantly.
I'm pretty sure the 335i has had issues. Small issues, but issues nonetheless.
Plus the 335i coupe weighs almost 300lbs more if I remember correctly.

I guess it all comes down to personal interest and the owner's purpose for the car.
Plus, I have a biased opinion.

Well that's very kind of you to remind me.

Anyone who owns 'said' car will have somewhat a biased opinion, that's to be expected. No harm and it's good discussion. It's when people go on a rant who are clearly misinformed (like nicknick for example) then trolls come out of the woodwork.

To be fair, the JB3's are putting down more power than Procede's.

You're also comparing a $10,000+ FI package to a $500 tune - let's be honest, for 99.9% of people, one reason for selecting X car is price. So to say John Doe has the financial ability to drop $10,000+ on a FI package is a bit far fetched.

Another point is reliability. On the FI 370z, you won't be taking that to a dealer for warranty work. For the 335i it's as easy as removing the tune (45 minutes) and you're done. I guess the point I'm getting at is the ease of modding. For a 370z to compete with a modded 335i they have to drop over $10,000, permanently lose their warranty, and always have that fear of something going wrong.

Red370 · 10-06-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

Anyone who owns 'said' car will have somewhat a biased opinion, that's to be expected. No harm and it's good discussion. It's when people go on a rant who are clearly misinformed (like nicknick for example) then trolls come out of the woodwork.

To be fair, the JB3's are putting down more power than Procede's.

You're also comparing a $10,000+ FI package to a $500 tune - let's be honest, for 99.9% of people, one reason for selecting X car is price. So to say John Doe has the financial ability to drop $10,000+ on a FI package is a bit far fetched.

Another point is reliability. On the FI 370z, you won't be taking that to a dealer for warranty work. For the 335i it's as easy as removing the tune (45 minutes) and you're done. I guess the point I'm getting at is the ease of modding. For a 370z to compete with a modded 335i they have to drop over $10,000, permanently lose their warranty, and always have that fear of something going wrong.

I think the point thats been made, is that for the same price of the 335i, a 370 can make close to 500whp with the TT kit. While a $600 flash can net 400hp for the 335, its still considerably less power, while the overall cost remains on par. And another comment i read was correct, the Z is more in line with the 135i, while the 335 is more G37 territory. IMHO, while ugly as all hell, the 135i is a better platform for power and overall speed than the 335i which is a bit of a fatty compared to the Z. Lets kill this thread off shall we?

40k for a 300hp V6, 40k for a 475-500whp TT'd Z, i think the choice is clear.

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

For a 370z to compete with a modded 335i they have to drop over $10,000, permanently lose their warranty, and always have that fear of something going wrong.

I disagree, there is a 12.8 sec 370z with minimal bolt ons on stock tires. The 370z easily has potential to be a mid to low 12 sec with full bolt ons/tuned and the proper tire set up.

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Originally Posted by Red370

Lets kill this thread off shall we?

40k for a 300hp V6, 40k for a 475-500whp TT'd Z, i think the choice is clear.

Let's let the OP decide that he's the one who's asking for people opinion which we are giving.

Also for some the choice isn't as clear as you make it seem. Again why are you comparing a modified car to a stock car? Only fair that you do the same for both. How many people can say they would actually TT their brand new 370z and lose warranty right off the bat?

ianthegreat · 10-06-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 05G356MT

I disagree, there is a 12.8 sec 370z with minimal bolt ons on stock tires. The 370z easily has potential to be a mid to low 12 sec with full bolt ons/tuned and the proper tire set up.

I thought that 12.8 sec pass was with full bolt ons? Maybe I read it wrong, very nice.

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

I thought that 12.8 sec pass was with full bolt ons? Maybe I read it wrong, very nice.

Nope, you're correct I misread the post, my mistake. I must have confused it with another post from one of the other forums i post in lol

GingaBreadMan · 10-06-2009, 04:10 PM

I'm surprised ppl are concerned with other modded vehicles. It is very rare you will come across another modded vehicle, especially one getting 500whp. Besides most individuals with "fast" sports cars can't drive them. I have come across current generation M5's and Z06's that couldn't keep up with the Z. So those concerns are unwarranted. And for the record, a stock 335i is no match for the Z. Trust me.

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

I'm surprised ppl are concerned with other modded vehicles.

It's not that we're concerned about other modded vehicles but rather the vechicles own potential.

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

Besides most individuals with "fast" sports cars can't drive them. I have come across current generation M5's and Z06's that couldn't keep up with the Z.

That's true but trap speed is pretty constant measure of power level. You can easily mess up your launch but your trap speed is a good indication at how fast your car is overall. Wow a Z06 driver that couldn't keep up with a Z needs to sell it and buy themselves a toyota prius. Their gears are so tall they would rarely have to shift.

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

And for the record, a stock 335i is no match for the Z. Trust me.

Trust you? To what credible source are you? Please provide facts to your statement. As terms of performance they are very comparable regardless of your experiences or opinion facts are facts.

GingaBreadMan · 10-06-2009, 05:01 PM

That's true but trap speed is pretty constant measure of power level. You can easily mess up your launch but your trap speed is a good indication at how fast your car is overall.

Not necessarily the truth. A Evo launches very well and has a decent trap speed. But what trap speed doesn't show is that the Evo is garbage above 80mph (as comparable to the 370z).

Trust you? To what credible source are you? Please provide facts to your statement. As terms of performance they are very comparable regardless of your experiences or opinion facts are facts.[/QUOTE]

Ak I hope this doesn't violate any rules but a 335i had 3 car lengths on me and I was still able to run him down at over 110mph.
As for the ZO6 I believe the guy was not use to the car and was also afraid of it. He is currently looking to replace it with a Porsche GT2 or GT3.

Red370 · 10-06-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 05G356MT

How many people can say they would actually TT their brand new 370z and lose warranty right off the bat?

how many people would do a reflash and lose theirs on the 335? 335's are equipped with a smart ECU, it logs any and all modifications in power and whether or not its been tampered with. My First Sergeant drives one, and explained to me that his warranty was voided by the dealer when he took it in for routine maintenence. Why you ask? A reflash. And I believe someone stated before that you can just reset the ECU and info is gone forever right? wrong. The info is there for good. As a former G owner, I would think you would realize that the 370, in terms of performance, is the better buy. Seems to me like you've been bitten by the ol' G vs. Z bug. I too used to run my mouth to Z owners, then I test drove one, and determined that the 370 was just plain superior.

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

Not necessarily the truth. A Evo launches very well and has a decent trap speed. But what trap speed doesn't show is that the Evo is garbage above 80mph (as comparable to the 370z).

Ak I hope this doesn't violate any rules but a 335i had 3 car lengths on me and I was still able to run him down at over 110mph.
As for the ZO6 I believe the guy was not use to the car and was also afraid of it. He is currently looking to replace it with a Porsche GT2 or GT3.

True. I guess that holds some truth to certain cars (i.e. Turbo AWD 4-Bangers)

Your run against the 335i is your experience. I consistently beat a STi (i/e) from a dig 3-4 times but I know that was all due to drivers error. I mean the times are there people have tested them we all know about them (370z,335i) and in terms of stock performance they are very comparable.

I guess that could happen, but his fear isn't going to go away with either of the cars he's going to replace it with haha.

05G356MT · 10-06-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

how many people would do a reflash and lose theirs on the 335? 335's are equipped with a smart ECU, it logs any and all modifications in power and whether or not its been tampered with. My First Sergeant drives one, and explained to me that his warranty was voided by the dealer when he took it in for routine maintenence. Why you ask? A reflash. And I believe someone stated before that you can just reset the ECU and info is gone forever right? wrong. The info is there for good.

E90post.com, do you have a calculator ready?

Ever heard of BT (Bavarian Technic) Tool it clears out any code that has been ran by the OBD2 therefore the dealership can not see if the ECU has been tampered with as long as you clear it out before going in and remove the piggyback (JB3, Procede).

Tell your Sergeant to look at this. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The dealership by law can not void warranty unless they can prove that a specific mod caused the problem (in your Sergeants case there was no problem). I had my warranty "voided" by Infiniti until I showed them this and told them I would take legal measures. Two months later and I have a brand new hand built longblock under warranty.

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Originally Posted by Red370

As a former G owner, I would think you would realize that the 370, in terms of performance, is the better buy. Seems to me like you've been bitten by the ol' G vs. Z bug. I too used to run my mouth to Z owners, then I test drove one, and determined that the 370 was just plain superior.

I am currently a G owner and just because Nissan/Infiniti shares the same engine doesn't mean there aren't any other cars that are better or comparable. I am a car enthusiast I see cars without the brands and in some cases with out the price (if someone decides to compare the two).

Hardly the case with the G vs. Z bug, matter of fact there are a good amount of Z's that are in the National G Club simply because they like hanging out with the older crowd now that 350's can be had by high schoolers (sadly to say the G too). By no means am I discrediting the Z but there are some comments in this thread that are clearly misinformed.

Also I do agree with you, you definitely get a whole lot of car for such a cheap price with the 370z. Between a new 370z and a new 335i its clear the 370z is the "better buy" but he's talking used. IMO, in this case the better buy would be determined only by the condition of the used 335i.

ianthegreat · 10-06-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

how many people would do a reflash and lose theirs on the 335? 335's are equipped with a smart ECU, it logs any and all modifications in power and whether or not its been tampered with. My First Sergeant drives one, and explained to me that his warranty was voided by the dealer when he took it in for routine maintenence. Why you ask? A reflash. And I believe someone stated before that you can just reset the ECU and info is gone forever right? wrong. The info is there for good. As a former G owner, I would think you would realize that the 370, in terms of performance, is the better buy. Seems to me like you've been bitten by the ol' G vs. Z bug. I too used to run my mouth to Z owners, then I test drove one, and determined that the 370 was just plain superior.

I can't comment on flashes, but I have yet to hear of a voided warranty on e90post because of this. On a side note, piggybacks are producing LOTS more whp than flashes are (no reason to go a flash route currently). With a BavTech tool you can erase all codes, including tamper codes.

akburst510 · 10-08-2009, 05:54 AM

I have decided.

I am going for the new 370z base + sports package.

basically new >>>> used

Had both the cars been new, I still would be conflicted because the 335i is $50k.

Had I needed the additional seats, luxury and comfort, I would have picked the 335i.

Both choices were very tempting and it was basically a good place to be.

Thanks for all the non-related discussions.

Probably going to be a regular as soon as I pick her up.

05G356MT · 10-08-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by akburst510

I have decided.

I am going for the new 370z base + sports package.

basically new >>>> used

Had both the cars been new, I still would be conflicted because the 335i is $50k.

Had I needed the additional seats, luxury and comfort, I would have picked the 335i.

Both choices were very tempting and it was basically a good place to be.

Thanks for all the non-related discussions.

Probably going to be a regular as soon as I pick her up.

Congrats! In all honesty you couldn't go wrong on either choice and like you said it's based on your preference.

10-06-2009, 04:10 PM	#97 (permalink)
GingaBreadMan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York Posts: 313 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 16	I'm surprised ppl are concerned with other modded vehicles. It is very rare you will come across another modded vehicle, especially one getting 500whp. Besides most individuals with "fast" sports cars can't drive them. I have come across current generation M5's and Z06's that couldn't keep up with the Z. So those concerns are unwarranted. And for the record, a stock 335i is no match for the Z. Trust me. __________________ ClearBra/Debadging/Tinted Head & Taillights Coming Soon:180° Customs Headlights/ISS Forged Spyder 19" 265*305/Swift Springs/STS Rear Mount Turbo

10-06-2009, 05:01 PM	#99 (permalink)
GingaBreadMan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York Posts: 313 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 16	That's true but trap speed is pretty constant measure of power level. You can easily mess up your launch but your trap speed is a good indication at how fast your car is overall. Not necessarily the truth. A Evo launches very well and has a decent trap speed. But what trap speed doesn't show is that the Evo is garbage above 80mph (as comparable to the 370z). Trust you? To what credible source are you? Please provide facts to your statement. As terms of performance they are very comparable regardless of your experiences or opinion facts are facts.[/QUOTE] Ak I hope this doesn't violate any rules but a 335i had 3 car lengths on me and I was still able to run him down at over 110mph. As for the ZO6 I believe the guy was not use to the car and was also afraid of it. He is currently looking to replace it with a Porsche GT2 or GT3. __________________ ClearBra/Debadging/Tinted Head & Taillights Coming Soon:180° Customs Headlights/ISS Forged Spyder 19" 265*305/Swift Springs/STS Rear Mount Turbo

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akburst510 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Aliso Viejo Posts: 15 Drives: 92 Honda Accord Rep Power: 16	I have decided. I am going for the new 370z base + sports package. basically new >>>> used Had both the cars been new, I still would be conflicted because the 335i is $50k. Had I needed the additional seats, luxury and comfort, I would have picked the 335i. Both choices were very tempting and it was basically a good place to be. Thanks for all the non-related discussions. Probably going to be a regular as soon as I pick her up.