Why does the 370z get so much disrespect...
 

From BRZ and FRS owners? Hello everyone, i am a new member and hope to purchase a 370z very soon. I was also interested in the BRS/FRS but after extensive research i came to the conclusion that the platform was not for me. The BRZ/FRS are great cars from what i have gathered; however, i often hear the following from BRZ/FRS owners:


'the BRZ/FRS has better handling'

'the BRZ/FRS can beat the 370z on the right track'

'the 370z is too heavy'


Now i know that the BRZ/FRS has a strong marketing campaign :stirthepot: and that has something to do with the BRZ/FRS being portrayed as some mythical world beater, i also know that some BRZ/FRS owners are a tad bit out of touch with reality but do people here have experience with the BRZ or FRS that can chime in? Most reviews i have seen that praise the BRZ/FRS basically praise how fun of a car it is even when they compare it to different vehicles and often times the BRZ/FRS is somehow favored over many other performance/sports cars because it's "fun".

From what i have gathered, in most tests the 370z has better skid pad performance and at least equal slalom numbers. I know the BRZ/FRS have very sharp and responsive steering and are fun to drive but as a whole that does not seem to make the BRZ or FRS a "better handling" car. Am i wrong or am i missing something such as major 370z flaws?


And yes i know this has been beaten to death and that the FRS head unit looks like it came from a 1988 Pontiac Trans Am. I also know there are some BRZ/FRS owners that claim such silly things as they can break into the 13s by dropping 250lbs off their vehicles which normally run high 14's to mid 15's. :eek:

I know there will be some bias towards the 370z but it can't be as bad as the FRS/BRZ fanboys, so what is the consensus?

A sparrow lays its eggs in an oak tree.

I am all about well balanced vehicles, handling and straight line performance. The BRZ and FRS handle amazing, but when a new Camry can take me off
the line I'll pass lol the pull is just non existent.
I like an all around fun car, and the Z imo is a blast. Over the BRZ I'd take an S2k any day of the week, handles on rails and def feels faster and more torquey.

All I know about the BRZ/FRS is that they are made by Fisher Price ha-ha!

Penis envy?:wtf2:

Easy question.

Like others who bash on the Z, they feel threatened by the car. I can't speak for everyone but the 370 is rare to see in NY compared to the brz/frs whch most likely is due to the price point. Brz/Frs starts off around 25k If I'm not mistaken. I bet the majority of those owners that open their traps about our Z's(meaning the forum guys and other owners of the 370z) have never driven/owned a Z. If they did I highly doubt they would trade it in for a brz/frs.

I personally don't have a problem with the car. I think it's a nice looking RWD, light, agile machine. I just feel that it's lacking power which a turbocharger can fix.

:tup: personal taste. Dur.

Drive both. Whichever one gets your blood pumping. Buy it.

BRZ is an awesome looking vehicle.
But.

it has a back seat.

Knocked it off my list of "sport car".

Thus Harry (my beloved Z).

Again. Personal preference. No fan boy crap.

:tup:

Surprisingly one BRZ owner told me that 370z's have ugly interiors. :ugh: needless to say i didn't bother arguing.

Excellent decision. :tup:

As far as performance goes, take a look at the results from the SCCA Solo national championship in the C street class. The 370z's easily disposed of the Toyobaru's.

I outran a turbo'd one at the drag strip. Pretty sad for him actually.

I just checked out the results from 2013. I see a lot of 370s doing very well for the C class, in fact a 370z got the fastest time. I'm not sure i seen any BRZ's or FRS's in there though, maybe i'm blind though.

I have researched a lot times of different tracks to compare 370z times to BRZ/FRS times. So far the 370z has comfortably beaten the BRZ/FRS on all the tracks in which both vehicles took part. Then again the 370z should smash any BRZ/FRS in a strait.

I haven't anyone dissing or disrespecting the Zs. BRZ/FRS has better handling? Those cars are for wannabees. Almost everyone that buys it, buys it because its a "sport" car..."sport".

My brother has a FRS. The Z spanks the poop out of it in every aspect I could think of.

As I expected. Bombs away!

What a way to start your 1st post.

No comparison between the Z and BRz

No apples to apples so...cant comment on it.

There is a lot of FRS/BRZ owners comparing their cars to the 370z. Most of this is through forums and a popular belief among BRZ/FRS owners is that their cars "handle better" and the 370z is too heavy, ect.

As for your second point. The BRZ/FRS is a good car, from what i have found, i would compare it to a Miata. Its faults is that it has a very, very cheap interior, has mechanical issues, and has a very weak power plant. Add all this together and i think it is an over priced car, i would not pay $29,000 MSRP. The car is nice but not that nice.

It is some what of a gimmick/trend car like most scions but still i think it has some very admirable traits.

FRS gets better MPG than the Z :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :p

You'd be foolish to fault the BRZ/FRS in anything performance wise. It's an impressive car... except that they are SEVERELY underpowered, like not even close to a 370z as far as power and speed goes. They handle and feel like a dream, but they are alot like what my 95 miata was back in the day. Fun as hell to drive, and an ego builder, then you run into a sports car that handles well and has POWER and you get your *** whipped lol. I chose the 370Z over a FRS a month ago and I haven't looked back. In my first auto-x, I was a couple seconds behind a FRS with wide Hankook RS3's with my bone stock 370z base. I feel I would have been just as fast if not faster if I had RS3's and not the garbage advan sports in 225/245 sizes. At the end of the day it's all about personal preference, and what you want in a car. The 370Z is great because it has power, and it still handles and feels like a sports car...because it is!. I would say the Z is more of a handful to drive however, at least in stock form. The FRS/BRZ is a momentum car that is easier to control and handle, but not as fast. That's what I took from it anyways.

I have seen 6 different FRS's in 1 week on the road. In 6 months I have only seen 4 different 370's on the road. I don't know what this means exactly. Maybe price, maybe preference, IDK. I can tell you that I am on my 3rd 370z, the first 2 I sold, and finally got a Nismo. For me its not just the performance, because you can always make it stronger, more agile, better handling etc etc. It is about the design, and all thought put into creating 370z. I almost got a 350z at one point when there were no 370s, but I opted for a G35 instead, and I was extremely happy with my choice. Nothing against 350z owners but IMHO the 350z was missing something. The 370 has it all IMHO, it looks extremely classy, it performs very well, it feels and drives like a sports car. I did consider an FRS before I picked up the Nismo, but after seeing so many of them on the road, it kind of turned me off. Your best bet would be to drive them both before you decide, and take lots of pictures of everything, exterior, interior, cabin, under the hood, under carriage. Ask yourself if you can see yourself driving that car. Then research the SPEC's and weigh your options. Consider all the pros and cons of each vehicle and then make your decision. You can listen to peoples advice, but ultimately it comes down to what you want to see and feel when you get behind the wheel. 370z = "Sports Car"....FRS = "Sports Coupe"
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I really enjoyed the FRS that I drove actually. They're fun cars. Just not quite as fun as the Z in my opinion.

The BRZ/FRS's are great cars............for beginners. Once you mastered it, then move up. The next step is the 370Z. I've yet had one of those BRZ/FRS's stay in my mirror for any length of time on the track.

^^^^ keep that in mind, then keep in mind that I bought my 2014 Z with 4k on it, from a dealer, under factory warranty AND with a certified pre-owned warranty, for as much as a new BRZ/FRS goes for. It was technically used, but it's pretty freakin close to new. Add a couple grand to the price for a new one

When the FRS came out as a concept I thought "what an awesome looking car" and rumors were flying around about a possible 300 hp engine, I was sold. I could not wait until it came out.
When it finally came out, reality hit. 200HP engine, styling was not quite the same (not as aggressive as the concept), had to buy it as Scion (no FRS for Canada). Even then I figured I'd give it a chance. It was fun to drive, but then I thought "I am basically replacing my Celica with a rear wheel drive Celica" and I did not see the point in that.
Then I laid my eyes on a Z and the rest was history.

People are buying those cars at MSRP at around 30k. Those cars look amazing, and are fun cars from what i gathered but are too much coin for what you get.

If the FRS/BRZ actually had a decent interior and not that awful excuse for an interior and a more powerful engine i would say that it would be worth the asking price.

A Miata is a more logical and economical choice for a slow car that feels fun. :driving:

30k? Jeeesus that's a huge markup, or like fully optioned out. The ones I saw were like 26-27, which is about what I paid for the Z. The special edition FRS that just came out is like 30k.

I like the 86 platform only after it has been modded - including the stupid "Rocket Bunny" kit even though it is played out. Yes that vehicle is underpowered but how many of us have been in a car we considered over-powered?

Like the z34 I think the 86 is a great platform for starting a build - although there isn't any sense in comparing stock Z to FRS/BRZ (apples to oranges) Like anything else you can build a very potent FRS/BRZ if you are willing to invest the time and money to do so. Here is link to 400-500 hp BRZ

Nearly 500-HP Turbo Subaru BRZ Tested on New Ignition

certainly nothing to scoff at for a light weight car that starts around 25-30k

Like everyone else here I am happy with my zed as it was the best fit for me.

The prius tires did it in for me. The stock wheels are donuts. Yes it makes it a blast to throw around but if you're looking for any type of speed, get ready to pay for it.

Honestly I feel like my fellow Z friends are very nice to speak about the TOYODA in a way, I've driven the car and no offense it's a POS the takeoff as said above is nonexistent and the interior looks god awful. I keeping my opinion as is don't think of the car as even remotely in the same class. I'll be bold enough to say any year miatas are for myself much funner. The brz does handle well for the 2k weight pos that it is. I hope I wasn't too harsh or maybe I was but Fk it. 20 grand for a car like that? All the owners have is ITS FUN ITS FUN.... Yeah take your fun car and gtfo.

I hope I didn't disrespect any owners or anything these Are just my opinions

This is my idea of a fun car. :D

Might be my next car.

People hate plain and simple

The Z is a man's car. The FRS is so slow and boring.

First off.....
 

I'm all for someone going and buying whatever it is 'that floats your boat', but IMHO the FRS/BRZ or whatever they're called, are simply pedestrian looking at best next to a Z. I guess some people must like them, (or can't afford a Z or want better gas mileage, or need pretend rear seats) but compared to a Z they are just plain, plain, plain.
I'm with some of the others here. You see them everywhere where I live, but I can go for days without seeing a 350 or 370, and I'm LOOKING for Zs everywhere I go.

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Makes little schnitt to me personally of the brz or FRS wins or losew times on a track etc. Like mentioned earlier its what makes you smile and happy when you drive it.

I kid you not, I drove my brothers hairdressers of a car MX5 once and it put a smile on my face.

For me it's not all just about the numbers. If it were, then I would have been in a Five.0 pony and not the Z.

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Of course,how to compare a 2.0 Flat 4 N/A..with a 3.7v6 N/A..?:roflpuke2:

In S'pore,already alot of Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86 selling off despite owner losing S$50,000.00 after using 1 year,reasons,not enough power...car look cheap..

LOL! 370z has been tested multiple times and comes out with better lateral acceleration and g's and also does better in figure eight testing. Also salom and skidpad numbers are higher. Not to mention the 370z is way faster than both of those cars. Even if they mod up the frs/brz with some sways, coils/springs, lighter rims, and better tires the 370z with better sways, wider tires, lighter rims, and springs will end up outperforming those cars on the track.

Anyone else who has not checked in on this thread?

Share your inputs and lets declare War on Brz/Frs peeps. Lol

Get your....:drama:

Let me start by saying I'm a hater
 

I have HATED the FRZ since the day it came out because to me it's really bandwagony to me. It's the RWD Civic of our day.
I drove a modded FRZ (coilovers, wheels, tires, exhaust, maybe other stuff too) for 2 days and it's SOOOOOOOOO SLOW... It FEELS nippy in 1st and 2nd, but after that... HOLY MOTHER OF GOD... I'd be on the freeway and I'd try to lane weave but the FRZ is too slow to do it, I'd mash the pedal and acceleration just didn't come... It was painful.
72... 73......... 74...................... 75........................... 76................
My dad's Maxima is 10 times faster.

As for handling... Any car handles well when you can only go 30MPH, LOOOOL!!! Handling wise my 370Z has lightweight rotors, front Hotchkis sway only, and 275/305 RS3s and I think my car handles 100000 times better than the FRZ that I had that had pretty meaty Nittos and at least coils...

The track guys I know tell me that once they get to speed they can keep it at speed but the really fast FRZ guys are driving at 11 (out of 10) so if ANYTHING happens, tires are 1 degree too hot, too cold, hit a pebble, whatever... They're off the track, where with a 370 there is margin for error.

Nothing that really makes me hate the FRS/BRZ, but nothing that floats my boat, would not buy. Again, different cars, for different tastes for different people....

Now, these cars being in eeeevery single car maganize, now that really pisses me off. So your telling me there are no other interesting builts being done that couldnt make the cover of your crappy magazine...? Come on, now! :gtfo2:

I did a demo drive in one back when I was looking for a RWD sports coupe. Here are my impressions:

1. Handling is good (but really not better than my 370 nismo IMO).
2. Interior is cheap. Actually, everything about the car is cheap.
3. It has back seats. Screw that.:shakes head:
4. Power is... well, there's no nice way to say it. It's laughably slow.
5. Everything is an option. So by the time you get one kitted out half decently you're into $30k for an economy car with sports car pretentions.:roflpuke2:
6. The association. FR-S fanboys are the worst part about owning that car. The reason they keep comparing it to the 370 is they feel the need to justify their purchase in the face of a superior but more expensive option. Kinda reminds me of some Z fanboys ripping the Porsche Cayman, actually.:rolleyes:

Buy what you like best and can afford. But don't trash the superior car just because you don't/can't have it.

Personally I say go your own way. If it's affordable & to your liking get what you want & don't bother with others thoughts. If you enjoy it, enjoy it & don't let some Web Racer who's probably still in high school say you shouldn't. Everyone will have different ideas of what looks good/works good. If it puts a smile on your face when you drive it, then it works for you. :cool:
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