Intelligent key question..

cave vulture · 10-01-2009, 02:37 AM

With my Subaru Baja, if you hold the remote under your chin you get increased range for operating the remote. Havn't tried it yet with the Z , but theoretically with you acting as an antenna, it should work for the Z fob also.

kdo2milger · 10-01-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cave vulture

With my Subaru Baja, if you hold the remote under your chin you get increased range for operating the remote. Havn't tried it yet with the Z , but theoretically with you acting as an antenna, it should work for the Z fob also.

i use to do the same thing with my viper alarm on the mach 1

it actually worked...not sure it would on this fob though...

SGTseanzie · 10-01-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kdo2milger

i use to do the same thing with my viper alarm on the mach 1

it actually worked...not sure it would on this fob though...

i also noticed that if you point the remote into your mouth, it gives it range too.... don't ask me how i know this..haha

MeetJoeAsian · 10-01-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SGTseanzie

i also noticed that if you point the remote into your mouth, it gives it range too.... don't ask me how i know this..haha

hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?

Nick911sc · 10-01-2009, 04:10 PM

The only thing that worries me about our key is the RFID chip. It is extremely easy for someone with the right equipment to pick up the signal and replicate it into a usable key.

FricFrac · 10-01-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?

Is that a question or a proposition? ;P

FricFrac · 10-01-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

The only thing that worries me about our key is the RFID chip. It is extremely easy for someone with the right equipment to pick up the signal and replicate it into a usable key.

I don't know how the key works but its likely a rolling code with x bits of encryption so its unlikely that it could be captured and used as any sort of viable information..... that technology has been around for well over 10 years on car alarms...

Nick911sc · 10-01-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

I don't know how the key works but its likely a rolling code with x bits of encryption so its unlikely that it could be captured and used as any sort of viable information..... that technology has been around for well over 10 years on car alarms...

The technology is already being used to steal information from peoples passports and credit cards..So it's a completely viable situation.

FricFrac · 10-01-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

The technology is already being used to steal information from peoples passports and credit cards..So it's a completely viable situation.

I know about the technology for capture. What I'm saying is that you can capture whatever encrypted data you want if you have no way of unecrypting it its useless. I assuming that ours uses one of the rolling encryptions - do you have information about how ours works you can pass on to me that I can look at?

Nick911sc · 10-01-2009, 06:38 PM

No, I don't have any information. It's all in theory I suppose.

theDreamer · 10-01-2009, 06:40 PM

The thing about the RFID tags and hacking them is that many of the Credit Card systems and others do not have proper encryption on them when transferring data between the card and the tellers system.

schrute · 10-09-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor

The prox range from either door handle or the hatch is roughly 21 inches. The range of the remote itself is probably 50ft or more. If you want to increse the range a little bit just put the fob under your chin while using it. It sounds like an old wives tale, but it works, been doing it for years when working on cars.

I tried this for the first time yesterday and was amazed at the result. The fob worked from about 150 yards away when I put it under my chin. I was stunned.

I did have a line of sight to the car as I was on an upper floor at work looking over the parking lot. No way my fob would work from that far without the chin trick.

This will come in handy on hot days to get the windows rolled down and the interior cooling for a few minutes while I make the hike out to my car.

terrycs · 10-10-2009, 03:49 PM

The i-key was meant to stay in ones pocket or purse. IMO, it just makes more sense to push the button on the door since you already have to put your hand on the handle to open it.

Also keep in mind the more often the i-key buttons are used, the faster the battery inside runs down.

SGTseanzie · 10-10-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?

I put the occasional slice of gum in there, from time to time.

kenchan · 10-10-2009, 06:43 PM

quick question...i noticed this today and i can't figure it out reading the owner's manual.

my car doesnt seem to recognize either one of my intelligent keys without the keys
in the key port.

before i could just sit in the car with the key in my pocket, i hit ENGINE START
and drove off.

this morning i sat in my car as usual, hit the ENGINE START and the LCD says
"NO KEY".

so i inserted my key into the port and drove off.

while i was inside the car during my drive, i shut off the car, pulled my key from
the port and hit ENGINE START and it started without the key in the port.

this afternoon it's back to NO KEY unless i have they key in the port.

any tricks to get it back to not having to have to put the key in the port?

10-01-2009, 02:37 AM	#46 (permalink)
cave vulture Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 427 Drives: 370z tour,sport,auto Rep Power: 16	Increasing the range of the fob....... With my Subaru Baja, if you hold the remote under your chin you get increased range for operating the remote. Havn't tried it yet with the Z , but theoretically with you acting as an antenna, it should work for the Z fob also.

10-01-2009, 06:40 PM	#56 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	The thing about the RFID tags and hacking them is that many of the Credit Card systems and others do not have proper encryption on them when transferring data between the card and the tellers system. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

10-10-2009, 03:49 PM	#58 (permalink)
terrycs Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 123 Drives: 07 G35S Sedan Rep Power: 256	The i-key was meant to stay in ones pocket or purse. IMO, it just makes more sense to push the button on the door since you already have to put your hand on the handle to open it. Also keep in mind the more often the i-key buttons are used, the faster the battery inside runs down. Smashley likes this.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	quick question...i noticed this today and i can't figure it out reading the owner's manual. my car doesnt seem to recognize either one of my intelligent keys without the keys in the key port. before i could just sit in the car with the key in my pocket, i hit ENGINE START and drove off. this morning i sat in my car as usual, hit the ENGINE START and the LCD says "NO KEY". so i inserted my key into the port and drove off. while i was inside the car during my drive, i shut off the car, pulled my key from the port and hit ENGINE START and it started without the key in the port. this afternoon it's back to NO KEY unless i have they key in the port. any tricks to get it back to not having to have to put the key in the port?