More info on the next 370Z

Montez · 08-15-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

Seems like hybrid drive trains are the future of sports cars. Great concept for instant torque, but I'd like to see how they hold up to some hard driving first.

Also given the Z's following and the massive amount of money members spend to go FI, I don't see an issue with a $50k Z if the power/handling/looks are inline. It's a niche car so it'll get exponentially more expensive as the performance increases. If it were sold in masses like the Corvette, it'd be a different story. I would personally buy one if it's a great out of the box package vs going turbo on an NA engine + supporting mods. The end result would cost about the same too. I don't understand what this obsession with $30k is. Yes, the Z was originally introduced as a budget friendly sports car, but that same reasoning will prevent the Z from evolving.

Also keep in mind Nissan's financial troubles when the 300zx was discontinued. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. Yes it was pricey for it's time, but it was also ahead of it's time and gave many cars a run for their money. This is what I think Nissan needs to return the Z to. Not a cost cutting $30k sports car. If Honda brings the S2000 back and Toyota the FT-1, this Z35 will fit right in. I would love to see the return of competitive Japanese sports cars.

Well Nissan itself markets it as a budget competitor to Caymans and other sports cars and has been marketed this way for years. The world knows it as such and its formula has worked for the most part, if Nissan upped its starting price to 50K ish you think that it has low low sells now from the 29K price point. Virtually no one would buy it and it would die off pretty quickly at that price point.

Firebase99 · 08-15-2014, 06:31 PM

Oh, further, I do miss the intimacy of the Z, the small 2 seat feeling of that closed cockpit. I've owned A LOT Z's the 370 was my 2nd favorite behind the 300. The 240 was fun but slow in reality. 350 was great, had the Touring 6 speed, nav, but it handled like my now 3.8 without the power. Plus, the interior, really? In 2007 when I got it it was just then tolerable for $34k. I drove a few 370's with auto, nav, top of line, it was CLOSE to the 3.8 I bought but still didn't give me everything I really wanted and it was like 8 grand more. THe ONLY THING I miss on my 3.8 vs my Z is the HID lights. Yes, for $1000 more I could have gotten the "Ultimate" 3.8 that has the HIDS, but the ONLY trim you can get that in black leather. Blah!! The interior in the 3.8 GT POPS with the tan.

Edit: the Z is WAY sexier than the 3.8 by a huge margin. I almost didn't buy the Genesis, it's kinda ugly. But the interior is far superior. I almost didn't buy it but considering I drive the car and don't sit there looking at it...lol

b15 · 08-15-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Montez

Well Nissan itself markets it as a budget competitor to Caymans and other sports cars and has been marketed this way for years. The world knows it as such and its formula has worked for the most part, if Nissan upped its starting price to 50K ish you think that it has low low sells now from the 29K price point. Virtually no one would buy it and it would die off pretty quickly at that price point.

Not $50k starting. $50k nicely optioned maybe $38-40k starting which still makes it a budget. Even today you won't find a $29k Z, and most want the sport package anyhow.

watson853 · 08-15-2014, 11:02 PM

The article posted earlier said a starting price of 50-60k in the last sentence.

b15 · 08-16-2014, 12:23 AM

I know. That was just my speculation. $50k starting with the right mix of power/handling/styling is fine with me!

Dirk McGurck · 08-16-2014, 01:09 AM

Upon further thought, I might be interested in a hybrid sports car if they put in a manual. Honda is the only manufacturer to offer a manual hybrid, actually three: CR-Z, Insight, and Civic Hybrid. If it's CVT across the board, 'm out.

zeeder · 08-16-2014, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

If it's CVT across the board, 'm out.

Is there such a thing as a sports car with a CVT?

Dirk McGurck · 08-16-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

Is there such a thing as a sports car with a CVT?

Tesla Roadster. And it's not a sports car, but the new WRX is a CVT.

watson853 · 08-16-2014, 08:08 AM

Yea CVT's have there place and it's not in my sports car..

Limeybastard · 08-16-2014, 09:09 AM

It is unfortunate that we including myself seem to compare numbers, meaning the higher the HP and TQ numbers the better the car must be. I must confess I have been sucked into this also.

In all honesty why do you think that there are so many stangs and camaros on the road these days? Think about it for a moment. It is simple, price v performance.

When Ford launched the Mustang, wasnt there moto or whatever something to do with power and affordability for the ordinary folks?

Personally for me if money was no objective Id be in a GTR or something a little subtle like an M4. But for bang for buck the GT is a no brainer. But so damn common!

watson853 · 08-16-2014, 09:25 AM

Yea I live in Texas and tripped over 3 mustangs walking out my front door this morning. That being said I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered it do to it's pretty awesome 5.0 engine.

Davey · 08-16-2014, 09:45 AM

I don't really care if a car is "common" or not. The Mustang is kind of a big fat boat, although it is fast. I felt the current-gen had way to much lift and dive and anyone who has ever driven a car with a live axle will immediately recognize that the car had a live axle. That whole remote-mounted shifter thing is also BS. So yeah, very fast car, great engine, I felt the rest of the package was lacking.

One of the reasons I like the current-gen Z is that it starts at $30K. That's reasonable, for a toy car that sits in the garage half the time. $50K+, not so much.

watson853 · 08-16-2014, 09:58 AM

The more the market is flooded with a certain vehicle I would have to think it affects there value. That's my only issue with common cars.

Davey · 08-16-2014, 10:24 AM

Yeah, that's a good point. If it's easy to find 10 cars with the same options, your resale is a lot more negotiable (in a bad way).

watson853 · 08-16-2014, 10:43 AM

Yea were pretty lucky Ford pumps out like 30,000 mustangs a month and I think nissan sells around like 9000 Z's a year in the states.

08-15-2014, 06:31 PM	#122 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	Oh, further, I do miss the intimacy of the Z, the small 2 seat feeling of that closed cockpit. I've owned A LOT Z's the 370 was my 2nd favorite behind the 300. The 240 was fun but slow in reality. 350 was great, had the Touring 6 speed, nav, but it handled like my now 3.8 without the power. Plus, the interior, really? In 2007 when I got it it was just then tolerable for $34k. I drove a few 370's with auto, nav, top of line, it was CLOSE to the 3.8 I bought but still didn't give me everything I really wanted and it was like 8 grand more. THe ONLY THING I miss on my 3.8 vs my Z is the HID lights. Yes, for $1000 more I could have gotten the "Ultimate" 3.8 that has the HIDS, but the ONLY trim you can get that in black leather. Blah!! The interior in the 3.8 GT POPS with the tan. Edit: the Z is WAY sexier than the 3.8 by a huge margin. I almost didn't buy the Genesis, it's kinda ugly. But the interior is far superior. I almost didn't buy it but considering I drive the car and don't sit there looking at it...lol watson853 likes this. Last edited by Firebase99; 08-15-2014 at 06:35 PM.

08-16-2014, 01:09 AM	#126 (permalink)
Dirk McGurck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 715 Drives: 09 MB 370Z Touring Rep Power: 21	Upon further thought, I might be interested in a hybrid sports car if they put in a manual. Honda is the only manufacturer to offer a manual hybrid, actually three: CR-Z, Insight, and Civic Hybrid. If it's CVT across the board, 'm out. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring with Sport

08-16-2014, 08:08 AM	#129 (permalink)
watson853 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 202 Drives: 2014 Blue T/S 7AT Rep Power: 12	Yea CVT's have there place and it's not in my sports car.. KaienZ34 and Dirk McGurck like this.

08-16-2014, 09:25 AM	#131 (permalink)
watson853 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 202 Drives: 2014 Blue T/S 7AT Rep Power: 12	Yea I live in Texas and tripped over 3 mustangs walking out my front door this morning. That being said I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered it do to it's pretty awesome 5.0 engine. KaienZ34 likes this.

08-16-2014, 09:58 AM	#133 (permalink)
watson853 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 202 Drives: 2014 Blue T/S 7AT Rep Power: 12	More info on the next 370Z The more the market is flooded with a certain vehicle I would have to think it affects there value. That's my only issue with common cars.

08-15-2014, 11:02 PM	#124 (permalink)
watson853 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 202 Drives: 2014 Blue T/S 7AT Rep Power: 12	The article posted earlier said a starting price of 50-60k in the last sentence.

08-16-2014, 12:23 AM	#125 (permalink)
b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	I know. That was just my speculation. $50k starting with the right mix of power/handling/styling is fine with me!

08-16-2014, 09:09 AM	#130 (permalink)
Limeybastard A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: FL and London UK. Posts: 1,514 Drives: 2014 370Z Sport. Rep Power: 17	It is unfortunate that we including myself seem to compare numbers, meaning the higher the HP and TQ numbers the better the car must be. I must confess I have been sucked into this also. In all honesty why do you think that there are so many stangs and camaros on the road these days? Think about it for a moment. It is simple, price v performance. When Ford launched the Mustang, wasnt there moto or whatever something to do with power and affordability for the ordinary folks? Personally for me if money was no objective Id be in a GTR or something a little subtle like an M4. But for bang for buck the GT is a no brainer. But so damn common!

08-16-2014, 09:45 AM	#132 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	I don't really care if a car is "common" or not. The Mustang is kind of a big fat boat, although it is fast. I felt the current-gen had way to much lift and dive and anyone who has ever driven a car with a live axle will immediately recognize that the car had a live axle. That whole remote-mounted shifter thing is also BS. So yeah, very fast car, great engine, I felt the rest of the package was lacking. One of the reasons I like the current-gen Z is that it starts at $30K. That's reasonable, for a toy car that sits in the garage half the time. $50K+, not so much.

08-16-2014, 10:24 AM	#134 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	Yeah, that's a good point. If it's easy to find 10 cars with the same options, your resale is a lot more negotiable (in a bad way).

08-16-2014, 10:43 AM	#135 (permalink)
watson853 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 202 Drives: 2014 Blue T/S 7AT Rep Power: 12	Yea were pretty lucky Ford pumps out like 30,000 mustangs a month and I think nissan sells around like 9000 Z's a year in the states.

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