So first came the announcement of the hybrid supra now the hybrid s2000 has apparently been confirmed. Hybrid Z may very well be coming.... I love instant torque but I'm not sold yet. Here's the new s2000 info

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/8/3...-Life-7721784/

My biggest concern from going hybrid is all the added weight. What good is 360 HP (from the S2000 article) if you add a few hundred lbs of batteries and motors.

One can hope and dream. But are you aware if Nissan pulled this off, you're talking almost exact numbers to a Porsche 911S?

That being said, if Nissan did create this for under $50k, I'm in.

I hope the z35 has a highly strung 2lt turbo 4pot for good power and weight balance.

I hope the z35 has a 6.5L twin turbo V12 and made completley out of carbon fiber and titanium

BMW dropped the v6 for the M3/4 and is going back with a turbo inline 6. So................

I wish i had the link but i was reading up on the nrw rx-7. The z is gonna face stiff competition for my dough in the next couple years. Gonna be test driving at least 5 cars

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I saw the article on the new RX-7 as well and you are right there will be many test drives in my future. If Toyota pulls off what they say the new supra will be the car will be very hard to compete with if it does in fact fall in the Z's price range. My problem with the hybrid sports cars is imagine going for a long spirited drive and running out or low on electric boost only to end up with just your turbo four which would feel considerably slower... Not to mention long term ownership concerns.....

There's no way the ft-1/supra will be in the z price range. I think, especially if it looks anything like that, it will at least need to be in the vette range minimum.

You clearly haven't drive a GTR :)

If the Germans can do it, I don't see how the Japanese can't! Come on Nissan, let's do this!

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The ft-1 and new s2000 are rumored to cost between 50-60,000 so yes it is vette territory for sure. So if nissan builds the two different models like they have been hinting at i see the base model being just the turbo 4 and being lighter than the current Z, and the nismo gets the hybrid setup to compete with the supra and s2000. I want the turbo inline 6 as much as everyone here but it just looks less and less likely.

I'd rather Nissan push the Z upmarket instead of trying to keep the Z cheap. There's a nice slot in the $40-$60k range that won't impact the GTR. Nissan needs to give the Z the attention and engineering it deserves. I would buy an upmarket Z with power and handling over a Corvette. Then to fill the gap for those that want a cheap sports car, a reinvented 240sx would fit the bill nicely.

One can dream, right?

No, but I see what youre saying. Than again $40K vs $120K.

:iagree:

i was reading somewhere that the price might be $80,000+

The s2000 is using a hybrid turbo four set up very similar to the ft-1. They both want horsepower to be around 380ish. Honda has stated a 50-60,000 price goal so I'd be curious to see if Toyota lets honda undercut them that much on what should be very similar performance.

I still think 40k+ is just ridiculous. I'll be looking for 400hp, under 3100 pounds for under 40k and thats what i'll buy i guess....

Or buying a FRS and modding that thing likr crazy, i'm sure the turbo kits are far cheaper for it

2009 7at touring
AAM 2.5 true dual exhaust
AAM de test pipes
Z1 headers
AAM 2.75 cold air intake r-line
motodyne m370 manifold
whiteline f/r sway bars
swift lowering springs
quaife LSD
Z1 34 row oil cooler
Z1 brake rotor and pad upgrade
Tune via hills garage
best 1/4 12.841 at 108.7mph 3540lbs with me in it

I'm with ya boomspoon!

In your hypo analysis...

Youre not factoring in real pkg per pkg. If the Z were to be 40k? It would most likely have high end Rays wheels, real sport tires with loads of grip , a BBK, LSD, and 3100 lbs.
So yeah get the FRS...
FR-S with half the Hp for $26,000 and and only 240lbs less.
Supercharger is about $5k and turbo about $6.7k
Labor and tuning doubles up cost. $13k.
26+13=$39k. Your probably around 400hp as well. You have no oil cooler, you're still on prius tires. Your suspension setup is not set for double the Hp. Proper Lsd needed plus you will need rims to accommodate your frilly tires. Figure another 15k.
Your do kit 180lbs
Your oil cooler and new res about 50lbs. So figure 230+2866lbs.about 3100lbs. Then your comparable light wheels, $2900-4000.

You will be paying about $48k-55k to have a comparable to superior car. But the stock turbo Z will be a better car for the money with better torque to boot. The stock turbos would make it cheaper to mod. And produce more power for the Same amount of cash as your FRS.

^^ and people like you are the reason I love the internet.

you obviously forgot i own a Z and love the the Z but alas take yout rant and stick it. We'll see how it sll turns out won't we

2009 7at touring
AAM 2.5 true dual exhaust
AAM de test pipes
Z1 headers
AAM 2.75 cold air intake r-line
motodyne m370 manifold
whiteline f/r sway bars
swift lowering springs
quaife LSD
Z1 34 row oil cooler
Z1 brake rotor and pad upgrade
Tune via hills garage
best 1/4 12.841 at 108.7mph 3540lbs with me in it

I don't get Toyota FT-1 plan, nor how that would/should fit with Nissan's new Z plans.

Clearly the FR-S doesn't compete with the current Z, and the current Z would need to move upmarket to compete with the FT-1... What about something between the FR-S and the FT-1?

In other words... This makes no sense to me... Toyota has the FR-S which is a cheap-ish, slow, entry level kind of car, so they expect people to move up to a $50K+ car from that?

They're leaving a rather large hole in the line-up if you ask me.

I do stand corrected on the FRS, though dropping a turbo on it probably isn't that hard.

However, I said Asian companies, not Japanese. Both Kia and Hyundai have dropped the V6 as an option on some of their cars in favor of a Turbo 4. And all of the American companies are doing it as much as they can, just so that they can meet EPA regs. Again, I understand why they are doing it, but to me it just seems like a waste to do it to the sports cars as well. Make a nice, zippy, high fuel economy car for the people that want to have their cake and eat it to, but give those of us who aren't necessarily worried about slightly lower MPG something to work with.

I've been a supporter of this idea for years. In my fantasy world:

Nissan GT-R would be the $100,000+ lineup.
Nissan Z would be the $50,000+ lineup.
Nissan IDx would be the $25,000+ lineup.

Yes, that would make the Z a not low cost vehicle, but it would let Nissan finally get their cards in order, and offer a Z that doesn't cut corners to fit lower price brackets.

GT-R is the raw power that doesn't care how it looks, just give pure performance. Z is power with a sexy exterior that screams beautiful car. IDx is for power that's afforable in a form that's easy to mod.

In the real world though, it seems the IDx is being difficult for Nissan to deliver without it costing as much as the current Z.

Agree. Instead of being a poor man's Cayman, I wish the next Z to be a poor man's 911.

its rare for any car company to have more than two sport cars in their lineup let alone 3. The best company that can pull that off right now is mazda, the miata to fight the frs/brz and to bring back the rx7 to fight the 370 or a turbo-charged version of the brz/frs (because we all know thats coming). The Z as it is definitely makes the frs/brz look overpriced. I just hope the Z or GTR don't get axed for the IDx in the long run

Nissan has recently said the IDx has a 50/50 chance of making it which is a big step back from there initial it will get made statement. I also agree that three sports cars in there line up is a nice thought but doesn't make a lot of business sence. Most manufactures don't turn much if any profit with sports cars.

I got a chance to talk to the Nissan production manager at Zdayz and he accidentally let it slip that in 2017 they're scheduled to release the 370Z Nismo RS. After I caught him on it he admitted that they are going to boost it, he was talking about the Stillen supercharger which I vehemently trued to dissuade him from. He mentioned a larger stock oil cooler and low to mid 400's for hp numbers. My guess is that they'll stay with their current setup: base Z with a few nice upgrades but nothing huge, same for the Nismo, then the FI Nismo RS which will probably be in the mid to high $50k range. He said they are bringing down the cost of all disease by one or two thousand dollars to start compensating for this new one that's coming out in the next couple years to try to make everything more cost effective for us

Zdayz 2014!!

This is true. My second dream is that they go back to the Z32 days and offer two engines. An NA model to keep costs down for those looking for a quick, affordable sports car, then a decked out Turbo model sitting at the top of the line up for those who want power, style and all the goodies. Throw in a stripped down track variant as well. This is what the domestic makers do. You can configure a Mustang/Camaro/Corvette in so many ways to fit many different budgets, however the Z is no where near the production scale of the aforementioned three, so it would make very little business sense to build so many different options.

Im confused, this is all alleged of course, I understand you stated the Nismo will be boosted, so JUST the Nismo or all models?

Huck part of me hopes your right cause at least a stock boosted 370z nismo certainly wouldn't suck!

Next Gen Z to get Mercedes engine?
 

Worst thing about this article: "may arrive sometime in 2017" so it's likely to be a 2018 model.


New details surrounding Nissan's next-generation Z model have reportedly emerged, shedding light on potential engine options and the overall form.

Likely carrying the chassis code Z35, the upcoming sports car is expected to be a significant redesign as the company aims to revitalize sales and expand into new markets.

New engine options will be central to the proposition, providing a choice between a 2.0-liter four-cylinder mill -- borrowed from the Skyline -- or a more powerful 3.0-liter turbocharged powerplant built by Mercedes-Benz and producing 328 horsepower, unnamed sources have told Motoring.

At least one of the variants is expected to be complemented by a hybrid system that places an electric motor between the engine and transmission, producing even more total output when used in conjunction with the gasoline engine.

The company is also said to have decided on a targa or T-top form to "appeal to a wider cross-section of potential customers."

Nissan is not expected to bring a significant price increase for the seventh-generation Z-car, which may arrive sometime in 2017.

Read more: Next-gen Nissan Z to get Mercedes engine, hybrid tech? | New and Used Car Reviews, Research & Automotive-Industry News & LeftLaneNews

I just saw this on WCF too... I'm not surprised about the Mercedes engine sourcing though, after reading about how Infiniti is planning to use a chassis and engine for the Q30 and QX30. Still makes me sad since Nissan and Infiniti are known for their reliability and Mercedes is not...

Nissan 370Z successor will pack hybrid tech and Mercedes engines - report

Unnamed sources have told Motoring=Rumor!

Not this again! :wtf2:

As they always say if there is smoke there is fire!
This is not very remote not to happen.
Motor trend is going towards hybrids and turbo charging!
This people knows how to re-direct the Market and instigate change.
Who started the syncro-rev anyway? Is it Nissan?
Now every car maker even the big dogs like Porsche and Corvette follows.

Btw the last time I heard the true essence of a sports car should always be in a manual! I myself is a believer of this.
Well guess what Porsche Gt3 is auto/paddle shifter now...oh did I forget the new Nismo has lost its bonner too!!!
So who dictates the trend now? Is it still the consumer or we are being forced to accept the current technology?

I always thought it was the consumer. Don't automatics outsell manuals in the US? Call it laziness, moving on with the times, wanting a freehand to text, or hating the hassle of using a stick. As technology marches on and lowers pricing, the machine will outperform anything a person can manually do, so sticks are becoming more and more about a person wanting that extra fun and/or work in the driving experience.

I doubt the manufacturers care which people choose: only the one that gets the best sales. Their decision to only offer automatic or only CVT, is more to cut production costs than a secret hidden vendetta against sticks.

With Toyota teaming up with BMW for their new sports car I can see Nissan working with Mercedes, doesn't seem so far fetched. Also Toyota did pretty well with Subaru on the twins (BRZ & FRS).


I'd love to see a nice new dual-clutch auto transmission as an option, I'd be all over that. Standard automatic transmission with paddle shift, not so much.

It's definitely not far fetched. Nissan and Mercedes have been working together for a couple of years now.

We just need a rumors section to move all of these Z35 threads into.

Unnamed sources have told Motoring the new Z will be twin turbo v8 with upgraded vvl and have a 35 row oil cooler with 4 diffrent type of map settings.