whats considered hot for oil temps

boomboom · 07-13-2014, 05:53 PM

My car runs at about 220 at most on hot days. Is this considered to hot? Not sure if I need an oil cooler for where I live which is wiconsin.

IDZRVIT · 07-13-2014, 05:57 PM

No, that's about the higher side of normal. If you won't be tracking your car, you won't need an oil cooler.

Arrvaxx · 07-13-2014, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

No, that's about the higher side of normal. If you won't be tracking your car, you won't need an oil cooler.

Especially up here in the north. But if you are really pushing it on a Wisconsin back road in high temps and humidity just watch the gauge. Then again there is nothing negative about running cooler oil...so...

kenchan · 07-13-2014, 06:54 PM

220 is fine. hell, mr.tam was running 260 in the canyons without limp

Mitco39 · 07-13-2014, 06:57 PM

I seen up to 250 yesterday, the only effect I had was the AC turned off when that happened. lol had to roll the windows down in that heatbox.

TheBoomSpoon · 07-13-2014, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boomboom

My car runs at about 220 at most on hot days. Is this considered to hot? Not sure if I need an oil cooler for where I live which is wiconsin.

If outside its 60 and your seeing 220 you better be in a horrendous traffic jam.

If its 95 out and sitting at a redlight i wouldnt be too surprised at 210-220 even with an oil cooler. If i was floggin it previously of course.....

ShutokuZ · 07-13-2014, 07:32 PM

Mine is a 13 with the crappy stock cooler and I see 220 every day no matter the outside temp. A little lower on the freeway, but not much. Obviously the stocker doesn't do much, since I still see the same temps as pre cooler models. Could be different track wise, but don't think so.

pen · 07-13-2014, 09:31 PM

Nothing to worry about. I was at the track a couple of weekends ago and the car drove fine with oil temp hovering a little above 270 (air temp around 92-93 degree F).

gbrettin · 07-13-2014, 11:23 PM

High Temp motor oil Wear Testing-Myth vs Reality (very long) • Speed Talk

THERMAL BREAKDOWN

I also heated the oils and observed the temperature at which they started to vaporize/smoke, which indicates the onset of thermal breakdown. Thermal breakdown is the point at which the composition of the oil begins to change due to the temperature it’s exposed to.

The official test for this is called the NOACK Volatility Test. In this test, the oil is heated to 302* F for one hour. The lighter oil fractions will vaporize, leaving thicker and heavier oil, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption, increased wear and increased emissions. The test reports results in the percentage, by weight, lost due to "volatilization."

Before July 1, 2001, 5W-30 motor oil in the United States could lose up to 22 percent of its weight and still be regarded as "passable." Now, with GF-4, the maximum NOACK volatility for API licensing is 15 percent. European standards limit high quality oils to a maximum of 13 percent loss.

Here are the approximate observed temperatures at which the various oils started to vaporize/smoke, which indicated the onset of thermal breakdown:

5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 280*

5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 265*

10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 290*

5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 275*

10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 300*, the BEST in this test

20W50 Castrol GTX, API SN = 275*

5W20 Castrol Edge w/Titanium, API SN = 280*

10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 NASCAR Racing Oil = 280*

5W30 Castrol GTX, API SN = 280*

10W30 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, silver bottle = 260*, the WORST in this test

0W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 = 280*

5W30 Royal Purple XPR = 285*

Here are the “averages” for the onset of thermal breakdown with these 12 oils:

Full synthetic oils = 282*

Semi-synthetic oil = 280*

Conventional dino oils = 272*

aszyd · 07-13-2014, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShutokuZ

Mine is a 13 with the crappy stock cooler and I see 220 every day no matter the outside temp. A little lower on the freeway, but not much. Obviously the stocker doesn't do much, since I still see the same temps as pre cooler models. Could be different track wise, but don't think so.

Ditto... 220 in traffic, 180-200 when I finally have some free space. I love the part of my commute when I get to watch the oil temp drop.

Elan · 07-14-2014, 12:21 AM

220 in traffic is the norm here!

synolimit · 07-14-2014, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin

High Temp motor oil Wear Testing-Myth vs Reality (very long) • Speed Talk

THERMAL BREAKDOWN

I also heated the oils and observed the temperature at which they started to vaporize/smoke, which indicates the onset of thermal breakdown. Thermal breakdown is the point at which the composition of the oil begins to change due to the temperature it’s exposed to.

The official test for this is called the NOACK Volatility Test. In this test, the oil is heated to 302* F for one hour. The lighter oil fractions will vaporize, leaving thicker and heavier oil, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption, increased wear and increased emissions. The test reports results in the percentage, by weight, lost due to "volatilization."

Before July 1, 2001, 5W-30 motor oil in the United States could lose up to 22 percent of its weight and still be regarded as "passable." Now, with GF-4, the maximum NOACK volatility for API licensing is 15 percent. European standards limit high quality oils to a maximum of 13 percent loss.

Here are the approximate observed temperatures at which the various oils started to vaporize/smoke, which indicated the onset of thermal breakdown:

5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 280*

5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 265*

10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 290*

5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 275*

10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 300*, the BEST in this test

20W50 Castrol GTX, API SN = 275*

5W20 Castrol Edge w/Titanium, API SN = 280*

10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 NASCAR Racing Oil = 280*

5W30 Castrol GTX, API SN = 280*

10W30 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, silver bottle = 260*, the WORST in this test

0W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 = 280*

5W30 Royal Purple XPR = 285*

Here are the “averages” for the onset of thermal breakdown with these 12 oils:

Full synthetic oils = 282*

Semi-synthetic oil = 280*

Conventional dino oils = 272*

No redline 5w30 or 5w40

IDZRVIT · 07-14-2014, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin

High Temp motor oil Wear Testing-Myth vs Reality (very long) • Speed Talk

THERMAL BREAKDOWN

I also heated the oils and observed the temperature at which they started to vaporize/smoke, which indicates the onset of thermal breakdown. Thermal breakdown is the point at which the composition of the oil begins to change due to the temperature it’s exposed to.

The official test for this is called the NOACK Volatility Test. In this test, the oil is heated to 302* F for one hour. The lighter oil fractions will vaporize, leaving thicker and heavier oil, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption, increased wear and increased emissions. The test reports results in the percentage, by weight, lost due to "volatilization."

Before July 1, 2001, 5W-30 motor oil in the United States could lose up to 22 percent of its weight and still be regarded as "passable." Now, with GF-4, the maximum NOACK volatility for API licensing is 15 percent. European standards limit high quality oils to a maximum of 13 percent loss.

Here are the approximate observed temperatures at which the various oils started to vaporize/smoke, which indicated the onset of thermal breakdown:

5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 280*

5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 265*

10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 290*

5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 275*

10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 300*, the BEST in this test

20W50 Castrol GTX, API SN = 275*

5W20 Castrol Edge w/Titanium, API SN = 280*

10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 NASCAR Racing Oil = 280*

5W30 Castrol GTX, API SN = 280*

10W30 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, silver bottle = 260*, the WORST in this test

0W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 = 280*

5W30 Royal Purple XPR = 285*

Here are the “averages” for the onset of thermal breakdown with these 12 oils:

Full synthetic oils = 282*

Semi-synthetic oil = 280*

Conventional dino oils = 272*

That was published by 540RAT. Go on the Corvette Forum in the C3 section and see what they have to say about his oil wear testing.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...test-data.html

There is more than one engineer in there who will not endorse his findings. Just sayin'.

Davey · 07-14-2014, 07:20 AM

With the air to oil cooler the oil temp will be 210 - 220 if you're pushing it at all. That is actually a good temp for oil. You don't want it to be too cold, either. Over 180 as a rule.

Without the oil cooler it will tend to fluctuate a bit more. Unless the car is hitting limp mode a lot (which shouldn't happen on the street) then I wouldn't worry about it too much. I mean, you don't want to run 5,000 miles at redline on oil that has been to 300 degrees every day but you don't need to worry about occasionally getting up to 250 - 260 degrees at all IMO.

mag_black · 07-14-2014, 07:27 AM

I use to see 220 in stop and go. Now I'm around 185-195 w/ a 19 row. My highest has been 205.

07-13-2014, 05:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
boomboom Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: WI Posts: 438 Drives: 09 NISSAN 370Z Rep Power: 16	whats considered hot for oil temps My car runs at about 220 at most on hot days. Is this considered to hot? Not sure if I need an oil cooler for where I live which is wiconsin.

07-13-2014, 05:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 27	No, that's about the higher side of normal. If you won't be tracking your car, you won't need an oil cooler. kenchan, onzedge, gr8-wrx and 1 others like this. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	220 is fine. hell, mr.tam was running 260 in the canyons without limp Mt Tam I am likes this.

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Mitco39 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 2,089 Drives: 40th 370z Rep Power: 132	I seen up to 250 yesterday, the only effect I had was the AC turned off when that happened. lol had to roll the windows down in that heatbox. R@n1n3913 likes this. __________________ 2007 Chevy Duramax - EFILive Tuned By Me 2010 40th W/ Nav - Boosted Performance - UpRev Tuned By Me The Mrs. Ride -2012 335XI N55 BMW - Cobb Tuned By Me, Built by her My Build --> http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...39s-build.html

07-13-2014, 09:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
pen Base Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 32 Drives: 2012 370Z NISMO GM Rep Power: 13	Nothing to worry about. I was at the track a couple of weekends ago and the car drove fine with oil temp hovering a little above 270 (air temp around 92-93 degree F). R@n1n3913 likes this.

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ShutokuZ Track Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 512 Drives: 2013 PW 6MT Sport Rep Power: 14	Mine is a 13 with the crappy stock cooler and I see 220 every day no matter the outside temp. A little lower on the freeway, but not much. Obviously the stocker doesn't do much, since I still see the same temps as pre cooler models. Could be different track wise, but don't think so.

07-13-2014, 11:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,281 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	High Temp motor oil Wear Testing-Myth vs Reality (very long) • Speed Talk THERMAL BREAKDOWN I also heated the oils and observed the temperature at which they started to vaporize/smoke, which indicates the onset of thermal breakdown. Thermal breakdown is the point at which the composition of the oil begins to change due to the temperature it’s exposed to. The official test for this is called the NOACK Volatility Test. In this test, the oil is heated to 302* F for one hour. The lighter oil fractions will vaporize, leaving thicker and heavier oil, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption, increased wear and increased emissions. The test reports results in the percentage, by weight, lost due to "volatilization." Before July 1, 2001, 5W-30 motor oil in the United States could lose up to 22 percent of its weight and still be regarded as "passable." Now, with GF-4, the maximum NOACK volatility for API licensing is 15 percent. European standards limit high quality oils to a maximum of 13 percent loss. Here are the approximate observed temperatures at which the various oils started to vaporize/smoke, which indicated the onset of thermal breakdown: 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM = 280* 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN = 265* 10W30 Lucas Racing Only = 290* 5W50 Motorcraft, API SN = 275* 10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil = 300, the BEST in this test 20W50 Castrol GTX, API SN = 275 5W20 Castrol Edge w/Titanium, API SN = 280* 10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 NASCAR Racing Oil = 280* 5W30 Castrol GTX, API SN = 280* 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, silver bottle = 260, the WORST in this test 0W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 = 280 5W30 Royal Purple XPR = 285* Here are the “averages” for the onset of thermal breakdown with these 12 oils: Full synthetic oils = 282* Semi-synthetic oil = 280* Conventional dino oils = 272* DIGItonium, kenchan, BGTV8 and 2 others like this.

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Elan Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 906 Drives: Airplanes Rep Power: 16	220 in traffic is the norm here! onzedge and SouthArk370Z like this. __________________ 2009 370Z NISMO #477 \| AAM Competition Short Tails \| AAM Competition HFCs \| K&N Typhoon CAI \| Kenwood DPX300U \| Rockford Fosgate PRIME R300-4 \| Rockford Fosgate Punch P165 \| Rockford Fosgate Punch P300-12 \| Polk Audio db1001 \| 15% Tints \| GTR Start Button \|

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Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	With the air to oil cooler the oil temp will be 210 - 220 if you're pushing it at all. That is actually a good temp for oil. You don't want it to be too cold, either. Over 180 as a rule. Without the oil cooler it will tend to fluctuate a bit more. Unless the car is hitting limp mode a lot (which shouldn't happen on the street) then I wouldn't worry about it too much. I mean, you don't want to run 5,000 miles at redline on oil that has been to 300 degrees every day but you don't need to worry about occasionally getting up to 250 - 260 degrees at all IMO. IDZRVIT, onzedge, gbrettin and 2 others like this.

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mag_black A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Drives: 09 370Z MT6 Rep Power: 666	I use to see 220 in stop and go. Now I'm around 185-195 w/ a 19 row. My highest has been 205. R@n1n3913 likes this. __________________ fujimura ≠ abbeyRoadCompany ≠ fastIntentions ≠ motordyne ≠ avantGarde ≠ ecutek ≠ nismo ≠ stillen ≠ stoptech ≠ gtm ≠ spl ≠ carbonfiberelement ≠ stance™

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