Shifting points?

JARblue · 07-28-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr

I don't think there's any smoothness from 1st to 2nd. Nature of the Z tranny.

Wrong

It is possible. It just takes practice and a little patience during the shift maneuver

onzedge · 07-28-2014, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr

I don't think there's any smoothness from 1st to 2nd. Nature of the Z tranny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

Wrong

It is possible. It just takes practice and a little patience during the shift maneuver

Swap your trans oil to Redline MT 85 as a start. It greatly improves smoothness, especially when cold.

The RJM clutch pedal upgrade is also a big help.

That said, even when stock I had no problems with shifting. I think the reason is that I know how to drive a manual transmission-equipped car. My wife drives a 6MT Juke also -- just for reference.

JARblue · 07-28-2014, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Swap your trans oil to Redline MT 85 as a start. It greatly improves smoothness, especially when cold.

I put in Redline MT-85 almost from the start and have very little experience with OEM fluid to compare. But I would listen to anything serious this man has to say

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Originally Posted by onzedge

The RJM clutch pedal upgrade is also a big help.

Best mod available under $300. Tremendous improvement. And I had no troubles with the stock clutch either.

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Originally Posted by onzedge

That said, even when stock I had no problems with shifting. I think the reason is that I know how to drive a manual transmission-equipped car. My wife drives a 6MT Juke also -- just for reference.

and for additional reference, we originally purchased the Z for my wife as her daily driver. We got her an AT when she changed jobs and her daily commute went from 15 min of open road to 45 min of snarling traffic all the way across town. She rarely drives the Z now, but when she does it just takes a few 1-2 shifts before she's back in the groove.

I will also add that a tune will improve throttle response and is a very noticeable improvement over the stock map. Better throttle response is a big help in mechanics of operating a manual transmission IMO.

onzedge · 07-28-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I put in Redline MT-85 almost from the start and have very little experience with OEM fluid to compare. But I would listen to anything serious this man has to say

Best mod available under $300. Tremendous improvement. And I had no troubles with the stock clutch either.

and for additional reference, we originally purchased the Z for my wife as her daily driver. We got her an AT when she changed jobs and her daily commute went from 15 min of open road to 45 min of snarling traffic all the way across town. She rarely drives the Z now, but when she does it just takes a few 1-2 shifts before she's back in the groove.

I will also add that a tune will improve throttle response and is a very noticeable improvement over the stock map. Better throttle response is a big help in mechanics of operating a manual transmission IMO.

Thanks, man. You, and everyone, should also listen to the non-serious stuff too.

JARblue · 07-28-2014, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Thanks, man. You, and everyone, should also listen to the non-serious stuff too.

Well I read and enjoy it for sure

But I would never do many of the non-serious things you suggest

onzedge · 07-28-2014, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Well I read and enjoy it for sure

But I would never do many of the non-serious things you suggest

victorofhavoc · 09-24-2014, 03:21 PM

just an fyi to anyone that might be looking around at this thread.

last night I went to play around with what would make the smoothest shift from 1st to 2nd and I discovered if you start pulling the shifter as you begin pressing the clutch (so you disengage before the clutch fully disengages) then you shift into 2nd as you release the clutch and give gas a little earlier you'll get a perfectly smooth shift as if it's an auto. If done correctly this will all be one single smooth motion and you'll have a smoother shift than most automatic transmissions.

the real key is to slip the clutch for a little longer than you would in other types of MT cars.

oh, and I've found the smoothest city driving shifts (besides just not using gas at all and idling all the way to 6th) is around the 2200 to 2500 range...

mishuko · 09-24-2014, 03:28 PM

2.2-2.5? Redline only.
J/K

I do notice from 3ish it's a bit funky. under 3 or over 4 seems to work well for me. I used to go to 5.5 and it was hellasmooth for mebut it's not something you want to do on a colder engine.

here's the weird part... My shifts n-1, 1-2 are smooth but now my 2-3 are jerky. 3-4 , 4-5, 5-6 are smooth too. amateur hour

victorofhavoc · 09-25-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

2.2-2.5? Redline only.
J/K

I do notice from 3ish it's a bit funky. under 3 or over 4 seems to work well for me. I used to go to 5.5 and it was hellasmooth for mebut it's not something you want to do on a colder engine.

here's the weird part... My shifts n-1, 1-2 are smooth but now my 2-3 are jerky. 3-4 , 4-5, 5-6 are smooth too. amateur hour

haha, my gf experiences the same thing in my car when she tries to drive it...

try pushing the shifter out of 2nd immediately before you press the clutch (i promise this is very easy and safe on the engine, just don't have your foot on the gas) and then as you're depressing the clutch the last bit slide it into 3rd, add gas, then take about a half second to let off the clutch...

it's weird how every manual trans has some sort of finicky nature between each gear compared to one another...

kenchan · 09-25-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by victorofhavoc

haha, my gf experiences the same thing in my car when she tries to drive it...

try pushing the shifter out of 2nd immediately before you press the clutch (i promise this is very easy and safe on the engine, just don't have your foot on the gas) and then as you're depressing the clutch the last bit slide it into 3rd, add gas, then take about a half second to let off the clutch...

it's weird how every manual trans has some sort of finicky nature between each gear compared to one another...

hint: there's no immediate or quick movements for driving the Z or any MT car smoothly. if you're doing any fast movements, you're doing it wrong.

hint2: wear the same shoes, use the same seating position for newbs.

hint3: listen to the car, become part of the car.

JARblue · 09-25-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

hint: there's no immediate or quick movements for driving the Z or any MT car smoothly. if you're doing any fast movements, you're doing it wrong.

hint2: wear the same shoes, use the same seating position for newbs.

hint3: listen to the car, become part of the car.

Slower is smoother if done properly

Fast shifts are fine when you're redlining every gear at the track. Otherwise, it's just clutch in, shift, clutch out. Don't overlap those motions, and be patient. Each shift is different. 1-2 requires the most finesse and patience. But even 3-4 can clunk if you let out the clutch too soon. If you have SRM, use this and practice Kenchan hint #3.

Codename067 · 09-27-2014, 08:58 PM

Do you even shift bro?

Justice97 · 09-28-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chejuan

Cruising around I shift at 3-4k. Having fun with semi-spirited I shift at 5-6k. Pushing it I shift at as close to the redline as I can get. If I am driving for economy I shift at 2k. It's all good.

During break-in I set the indicator at 4k and made sure to shift before then, but after that the engine will take whatever you throw at it.

All this time I thought I was a spirited. No...I am semi-spirited. I guess I may never go full spirit again.

I really don't like to take her beyond "semi-spirited"

Remember this, driving a stick is about mood.
Sometimes slow and low, sometimes hard and high.

And sometimes at 3k.

KittenMittens · 09-28-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97

All this time I thought I was a spirited. No...I am semi-spirited. I guess I may never go full spirit again.

I really don't like to take her beyond "semi-spirited"

Remember this, driving a stick is about mood.
Sometimes slow and low, sometimes hard and high.

And sometimes at 3k.

Nicely put. Most days I just want to cruise and sometimes....

victorofhavoc · 09-29-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Slower is smoother if done properly

Fast shifts are fine when you're redlining every gear at the track. Otherwise, it's just clutch in, shift, clutch out. Don't overlap those motions, and be patient. Each shift is different. 1-2 requires the most finesse and patience. But even 3-4 can clunk if you let out the clutch too soon. If you have SRM, use this and practice Kenchan hint #3.

I agree for the most part. However, this being my 7th MT car of yet again a different make, I've learned that some cars like some motions to be overlapped (and that's mostly due to how to pedal engages). I'm not sure about everyone else's Z but mine has the clutch engagement way too high up and past halfway it's all dead zone. I just start releasing in the dead zone when I'm sliding the lever into the next gear. Allows for a very smooth mesh every time.

but yes, definitely slow is smooth. Clutches are meant to be slipped for a reason. Coming from a subaru I can say that clutches will always be cheaper than broken teeth on transmissions...

09-24-2014, 03:21 PM	#52 (permalink)
victorofhavoc Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas City Posts: 229 Drives: 2014 370z Rep Power: 14	just an fyi to anyone that might be looking around at this thread. last night I went to play around with what would make the smoothest shift from 1st to 2nd and I discovered if you start pulling the shifter as you begin pressing the clutch (so you disengage before the clutch fully disengages) then you shift into 2nd as you release the clutch and give gas a little earlier you'll get a perfectly smooth shift as if it's an auto. If done correctly this will all be one single smooth motion and you'll have a smoother shift than most automatic transmissions. the real key is to slip the clutch for a little longer than you would in other types of MT cars. oh, and I've found the smoothest city driving shifts (besides just not using gas at all and idling all the way to 6th) is around the 2200 to 2500 range... __________________ Had a 2010 WRX- boy was it quick in a straight line, got a 2014 Z- man is she grippy in the corners-- then left the Z and later got a GTI, now back in an 09 racecar Z!

09-27-2014, 08:58 PM	#57 (permalink)
Codename067 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: North Hills, CA Posts: 386 Drives: 370z, R1, 636 Rep Power: 15	Do you even shift bro? MJB likes this.

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mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9435	2.2-2.5? Redline only. J/K I do notice from 3ish it's a bit funky. under 3 or over 4 seems to work well for me. I used to go to 5.5 and it was hellasmooth for mebut it's not something you want to do on a colder engine. here's the weird part... My shifts n-1, 1-2 are smooth but now my 2-3 are jerky. 3-4 , 4-5, 5-6 are smooth too. amateur hour