best motoring 09-10 Nismo Z vs Z4 vs Porsche's
 

im not sure if this is a repost but here it goes






YouTube - Best Motoring 2009-10 BMW Z4 Nissan 370Z Nismo Porsche Boxster Cayman Carrera S Tsukuba Battle

BTW anyone know if thats a cayman S? or is it the regular cayman?

it pulls pretty hard in the straights..

Wow...epic NISMO fail, once again. I want to see a NISMO 370Z vs. 350Z Sport head-to-head battle. I'm beginning to think the Base with the Sport package will out-perform the NISMO.

Slower than the Z4 by over half a second around Tsukuba, and slower than the 135i, 3900 lb. Camaro SS, and the four-door, automatic Jaguar XFR around Laguna? Are you kidding me?! :shakes head:

the vert is a cayman, the black porsche is a cayman S (the one tsuchiya drive).

No. There is no such thing as a "Cayman vert."

At 0:15, front-to-back: Z4, 370Z, Boxster S, Cayman S, Carrera S.

true, the video say is a cayman.

Check the video lol

The normal with sport package has outperformed the NISMO in every test I've seen. I can understand the engines not being broken in all the way, but the suspension differences should put the NISMO ahead yet they are getting very low skidpad and slalom numbers. I'm suspecting the supplied tires are a bit wacky on the NISMO.

which tires do the nismo's run? was it yok's?

The driver of the NISMO was losing it in the braking areas. The Cayman had a great drive where it passed the NISMO...good driving plus the car having good power gave it the advantage there.

I haven't driven a NISMO but my guess would be that the sport/touring wouldn't be that far off. Just keep in mind that it comes down to driver at a stock level. Chosing the wrong line, throttle, and brake inputs will screw you no matter what suspension/tires...etc... you have!

There is no significant variance between BM test-drivers. All are among the same skill level with comparable professional-driving experience. Still, the NISMO was the slowest in the group by over half a second compared to the 4th-place Z4...a relatively significant gap on such a short track like Tsukuba.

Standard sport package -
Bridgestone Potenza - front P245/40R19 Rear P275/35R19

NISMO
Yokohama ADVAN Sport Y-rated high-performance tires P245/40ZR1 front and P285/35ZR19 rear.

hummm... perhaps on semi wet RE050A's would've worked better for him.

dori dori's blabbing off the porsche is cool and so is he. lol :icon17:

that nismo had nav! wtf

Driver wasnt very good when compared with the others. NISMO was the only fully manual transmision?? Still im very dissapointed with the NISMO it should at least be better than the Z4.

Indeed a very significant gap... wonder if we miss something from the footage(driver skills, tires make etc...). The Nismo should'nt be slower than a Boxter...

Man.... PDK is a whole different level. I wish there was a way to confirm that it was a Cayman S although I wouldn't be surprised if that was a base Cayman with PDK.

You should see the specs for the new Boxster and Cayman....especially with PDK and I'm not even talking about the S models.

Let's face it the Nismo is just a big fail. I'm convinced the fastest Z is a base auto. We'll never see those results though bc everyone tests the loaded versions.

for the lazy...

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2171/battley.jpg

I mean, for what its worth, people really have to consider price in the equation of what your getting. So, were, doing pretty good as a sports car valued at 38ish, competing against cars up to double our price. The outcome wasnt great but we still get a solid platform to work with for much less. When you include mods and such we really have the ability to shine over all these cars...especially with the inclusion of a supercharger like the GTM unit..

Did the 370z S-Tune post a better time at Tsukuba than the Nismo?... (Old Video)

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hmm...

(maybe its the Bose & Nav the nismo and ntune are equiped with in Japan thats affecting their Lap Times):icon14:

IL Track Tested: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line
This is a Nismo vs. Touring w/ Sport

LOL...the NISMO is behind in every measurable aspect.

Except full throttle decibels! :ugh2:

It does says in the article that they cant explain why the NISMO has less grip than the standard model. But theres one explanation; the tires in the NISMO suck

I would have to say that's a factor.

The factory RE050As on the non-NISMO are very good tires.

Bad tires (for example, harder rubber compound) would expain almost every deficit on the NISMO. Slighly lower acceleration due to bad hookup at launch but good trap speeds, poor skidpad and slalom numbers, etc. If that turns out to be the case, Nissan really dropped the ball and damaged the car's rep over a small and easy to fix issue. :(

:shakes head:i know i saw that!!!! i was like no way wtf...:shakes head::confused::eekdance::icon14::mad:

Have we seen any baseline NISMO dyno numbers yet? I can't recall, but it will show if that extra 18 HP on paper amounts to anything.

I would love Nav in my nismo. Anyone ELSE?

Let's be honest. Best Motoring races are not the way to compare cars. There is a HUGE driver element in these supposed head-to-heads. In the first 5 seconds of the race you see the Nismo driver sitting on the rev limiter. Pretty sure that's not the fastest way to get around the track. Also, I can't help but feel there is a staged element to the races. Every car gets a little face time in front, and then a Cayman wins. It's how almost every one of these BM videos go.

You would not be saying this if the NISMO won...plain and simple.

Can you think of a better way to compare a handful of factory-spec cars on a track?

For the record, I hate the Nismo. You can find my other posts that support that fact.

Can I think of a better test...of course. One driver, one car at a time, same track. Compare the final times. Hell, have each driver test each car one at a time on the same track, and compare the final lap times.

Let's not forget the NIsmo is heavier than than the Z Sport. I agree that a Base Z34 w/Sport package 6MT would fair MUCH better than the NIsmo.

I would really like to see the results of the 7AT on the track however..

After digging around YouTube for Best Motoring Tsukuba battles with the Base Z34, the two videos I found of separate tests showed its best lap times to be very consistent: 1:06.669 and 1:06.754.

YouTube - Best Motoring: Seiji Ara 370Z vs keiichi tsuchiya Nismo 350Z Superleggera

YouTube - NEW 370Z vs Cayman S vs. BMW 135i vs. 997 Carrera PDK vs. S2000 Type S (HQ)

Compare that to the NISMO's 1:09:055 around Tsukuba and it comes in behind the Base by ~2.34 seconds...a significant margin on any track, let alone one as short as Tsukuba.

For comparison purposes, the NISMO S-Tune did 1:07.110:

YouTube - Best Motoring 2009-5 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 4S Nissan 370Z Tsukuba Battle 5 Laps

NISMO fail.

:iagree:

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkOMWTFSec shows that the 911 CARRERA S best lap time around tsukuba was 1'07.447 and in this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZGvu1rO0rM 1'05.350.Separate tests showed Best Motoring best lap times to be very inconsistent.

Guys. I just noticed this: Take a look at the time attack times. The Nismo is JUST behind the Cayman S.

Cayman S: 1:12 1 06
Nismo Z34: 1:12 2 92

That seems a bit more realistic.. I think.. As one of the post mentioned earlier: The base with Sport pack appears faster than the Nismo around the track. I think the Nismo is for the Drifters and the Base/Sport for the Trackers

every car had a dual clutch tranny including the Z4 35si...so the Nismo didnt do that bad...I wonder how the 7 Spd Auto would fair...I feel the Z driver is at a disadvantage due to all the other Dual clutch cars....

the nismo should be doing better. there's an issue here.
Tires. swap out to a better set and it'll do wonders i'd bet.

swap a set of advan AD08's on.
265/30/19
295/30/19

that should make it much better.

or the best way to do things??

get a base/sport for 30,000

and you have 6,000 to spend.

a set of enkei's and tires will be about 2,000.
nismo suspension and chassis bit are 2,000.
and 2,000 to spend on power.

or just swap out the damn tires.

So we need the DSG in 2011. And AWD.

Assuming you were going to pay cash. If credit then the average guy doesnt have an extra $6K just cuz he went to a base model. Most have no money to put down except the trade in beside a few hundred or so maybe no matter which model they get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkOMWTFSec