Z Killer ?!?!

dainedazz · 09-15-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

I think the point here is that saying 'modded car A can make more power than stock car B' is just gay. It's not comparing apples to apples. So an Eclipse with a CAI, headers, and a CBE can take on a stock Z with no mods. Ooooo . . . Big F-ing Deal. Try comparing it to a Z with the same mods.

BanningZ · 09-16-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

I think the point here is that saying 'modded car A can make more power than stock car B' is just gay. It's not comparing apples to apples. So an Eclipse with a CAI, headers, and a CBE can take on a stock Z with no mods. Ooooo . . . Big F-ing Deal. Try comparing it to a Z with the same mods.

X3 Well said sir.

JoeD · 09-16-2009, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

I think the point here is that saying 'modded car A can make more power than stock car B' is just gay. It's not comparing apples to apples. So an Eclipse with a CAI, headers, and a CBE can take on a stock Z with no mods. Ooooo . . . Big F-ing Deal. Try comparing it to a Z with the same mods.

Exactly.

chris410 · 09-15-2009, 09:50 AM

Pretty stupid article...throwing mods/money at cars will obviously make it faster, welcome to racing 101. What part of "there's always something faster" do they not get? You'd think a magazine would have something above the beginner race mentality LOL...thanks for the laugh!

jakoye · 09-15-2009, 10:59 AM

Good luck handling all that power with the Eclipse's front-wheel drive. Meet my good friend torque steer!

Brazilian Z · 09-15-2009, 11:05 AM

I saw at another magazine, an article about Z. The name is "The car of the year 2010: Nissan 370Z". Have anyone seen this?

They used the same mods (Stillen G3, Stillen exhaust, High Flow Catalytic Converters) and results were pretty good, about 30~40 whp.

CrownR426 · 09-15-2009, 11:05 AM

how about they compare a modded clipse vs a modded z.
lol...
I think they did that so, they can sell more clipses, idc.
It's like saying a modded 350z can beat a 370z.

kannibul · 09-15-2009, 11:21 AM

Magazines get paid to write articles that polish the knobs of the vendors they have advertising them.

If the only way they could write up a good review was to add a few mods to "compete" with a "car of the year", well...there ya go.

One_Quick_Z · 09-15-2009, 12:20 PM

I have heard that alot, But the one thing you have to remember its how the power transfers to the ground, you can make 500whp and only get 400whp of usable power.

DAN

shabarivas · 09-15-2009, 12:35 PM

so are they talking about 290 whp? cus if so - thats very impressive to say the least... I dont know if i will take an eclipse over the Z but its still very impressive

sloterg · 09-15-2009, 12:53 PM

1 million in mods.. i dont even wanna think about that

Brazilian Z · 09-15-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sloterg

1 million in mods.. i dont even wanna think about that

Red370 · 09-15-2009, 01:26 PM

lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe.

If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.

Zikizira · 09-15-2009, 07:41 PM

Hi all,

I am the one who posted the magazine article at the brazilian forum, friend of Brazilian Z. I really love the Z, but have chosen the Eclipse mainly due to its back seats and trunk. I have two children and need that space. Dont even bother to explain me about the performance superiority of any stock Z. I know this.

After discovering trackdays, all my friends kept telling me that I should have chosen the 350Z. But thats life. Now I have two other Eclipse 2G (GST and GSX) and have just purchased an Evo X. But my heart says the only car I would ever exchange for my 4G would be a Nissan GTR R35 (it has back-seats and good trunk space). Maybe I am doing this next year.

The previous statement (friends telling me I should get a Z) is illustrated at the following video: YouTube - My Eclipse 4G History.

Red...take a look at YouTube - ZikiziraBR's Channel. You are going to see videos showing my 4G, with 271whp (automatic, untuned), in a lot of track events. Headers are not custom (there are two options only - RRE and Ripp). Without tuning, the car is piggy rich (AFR), but it is still quite powerfull. I have coilovers, PU bushes and motor mounts, Ingalls Stiffy and other handling mods. Torque steer has never been a problem to me and (please, with all due respect), no 350Z (stock or lightly modded) has ever beaten it at the track...but I am 100% sure that any Z with similar mods, would be a lot better than any 4G.

Technically, we should never compare modded x stock cars. But that statement ("Z Killer"), is a good thing for both cars, imho. For the Z, it is telling that it is a reference, beloved car. For the 4G, it will make people look at it more closely, maybe driving the improvement of aftermarketing support. Its like telling car X is a Mustang Killer. It sells a lot of magazines and lots of car X.

Best regards,
Ziki

PS: "Ziki" is not chosen after Zikiller. "Zikizira", my nickname for years, is a word in portuguese which means kind of a strange sickness condition

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370

lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe.

If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.

semtex · 09-16-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zikizira

Hi all,

I am the one who posted the magazine article at the brazilian forum, friend of Brazilian Z. I really love the Z, but have chosen the Eclipse mainly due to its back seats and trunk. I have two children and need that space. Dont even bother to explain me about the performance superiority of any stock Z. I know this.

After discovering trackdays, all my friends kept telling me that I should have chosen the 350Z. But thats life. Now I have two other Eclipse 2G (GST and GSX) and have just purchased an Evo X. But my heart says the only car I would ever exchange for my 4G would be a Nissan GTR R35 (it has back-seats and good trunk space). Maybe I am doing this next year.

The previous statement (friends telling me I should get a Z) is illustrated at the following video: YouTube - My Eclipse 4G History.

Red...take a look at YouTube - ZikiziraBR's Channel. You are going to see videos showing my 4G, with 271whp (automatic, untuned), in a lot of track events. Headers are not custom (there are two options only - RRE and Ripp). Without tuning, the car is piggy rich (AFR), but it is still quite powerfull. I have coilovers, PU bushes and motor mounts, Ingalls Stiffy and other handling mods. Torque steer has never been a problem to me and (please, with all due respect), no 350Z (stock or lightly modded) has ever beaten it at the track...but I am 100% sure that any Z with similar mods, would be a lot better than any 4G.

Technically, we should never compare modded x stock cars. But that statement ("Z Killer"), is a good thing for both cars, imho. For the Z, it is telling that it is a reference, beloved car. For the 4G, it will make people look at it more closely, maybe driving the improvement of aftermarketing support. Its like telling car X is a Mustang Killer. It sells a lot of magazines and lots of car X.

Best regards,
Ziki

PS: "Ziki" is not chosen after Zikiller. "Zikizira", my nickname for years, is a word in portuguese which means kind of a strange sickness condition

Welcome to this forum, Zikizira. I think you'll find that we're actually a pretty friendly bunch, and we welcome drivers of all makes and models to make constructive contributions to our community. Good luck on acquiring an R35 -- that'd be an awesome ride!

09-15-2009, 09:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 16	Pretty stupid article...throwing mods/money at cars will obviously make it faster, welcome to racing 101. What part of "there's always something faster" do they not get? You'd think a magazine would have something above the beginner race mentality LOL...thanks for the laugh! __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

09-15-2009, 10:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
jakoye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 257 Drives: 06 Mustang GT Rep Power: 17	Good luck handling all that power with the Eclipse's front-wheel drive. Meet my good friend torque steer! __________________ Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

09-15-2009, 11:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 848	how about they compare a modded clipse vs a modded z. lol... I think they did that so, they can sell more clipses, idc. It's like saying a modded 350z can beat a 370z. __________________ Love + Hardwork + Passion RIP SVTRacer

09-15-2009, 12:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
One_Quick_Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Seneca Il Posts: 1,374 Drives: 10 Civic EX Sedan Rep Power: 219	I have heard that alot, But the one thing you have to remember its how the power transfers to the ground, you can make 500whp and only get 400whp of usable power. DAN __________________ -My BRZ with exhaust will decimate all if we overnight parts from Japan- 10 Civic EX Sedan- Current Daily

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	lets put this to bed. I own a 4G GT Eclipse. That 290hp is at the crank. With my K&N Typhoon intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Headers, and an AEM Fuel Ignition controller, i've dyno'ed at 277whp/256ft/lbs. With all my mods and RRE motor mounts + Ingalls TQ damper, I ran a 13.6 at sea level. Torque steer is AWFUL, the front tires have traction issues, and the tranny sucks. RIPP has a supercharger system that uses a vortech V5 blower that makes 450whp/344ft/lbs, but everyone that has one are too bigga ******* to run them at the track. Do not talk shyt about a car you know nothing about for those who were, its a great car, I love it. But it is not a Z by any means. There is ZERO aftermarket support for it, and the headers and big power makers are custom jobs, meaning mucho dinero, the headers are $1200. But no chance in hell will it challenge a 370, 350 maybe. If yall want real info, check Club4G Eclipse.