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Originally Posted by Infidel I read somewhere that the GTR motors are run wide open for an extended period of time before install, does anyone have a link that supports

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Old 04-15-2014, 07:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I read somewhere that the GTR motors are run wide open for an extended period of time before install, does anyone have a link that supports this?
GTR motors are put to test before it's installed to make it's at it best and no failures. Which means they run it hard from 0 miles. You can watch Life of GTR on youtube. They explain why they run it hard at zero miles. what you hear isn't 4K RPMS on that GTR, your hear the rev limiter bouncing on freshly built off the factory floor/line GTR. Main reason why they beat on it? So you can drive it like it should when you get it.

Break in periods, oh please.

Drove my 13 WRX hard from 6 miles, as I already know the mechanic who tested this car already beat on it. My Z, same thing.

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I read somewhere that the GTR motors are run wide open for an extended period of time before install, does anyone have a link that supports this?
It's in the sales brochure "Once assembled , the engine spends an hour in bench testing and break-in, including running at redline for a rigorous 10 minutes straight making it ready to give full performance when the GT-R is delivered to it's owner".

I believe in hard break-ins for all my vehicles once they are up to operating temp.

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Back in 2003, when I purchased new a Sentra SE-R, I broke it in leaving the dealer lot , bouncing off the rev limiter going down the street.

6 years and 103,000 miles later, I traded it, in perfect running condition.

I'd be more inclined to believe the 'break in period' with first hand experience and not what others say.

Now with the Z, i've given it more of a gentle approach, but I chalk that up to age...
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Back in 2003, when I purchased new a Sentra SE-R, I broke it in leaving the dealer lot , bouncing off the rev limiter going down the street.

6 years and 103,000 miles later, I traded it, in perfect running condition.

I'd be more inclined to believe the 'break in period' with first hand experience and not what others say.

Now with the Z, i've given it more of a gentle approach, but I chalk that up to age...
See, the problem with that logic is the fact that there's no way to tell if it would have been better had you done it differently. That's why I defer to the guys who make the cars. Also, the break in isn't just for the motor.
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Also, the break in isn't just for the motor.
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Yes, another thread about the break in period. HOWEVER, I hope to shed an educated light on the debate. I work as a reliability engineer. A what? An engineer concerned with prolonging equipment life for an industrial plant. I've had training/certification in lubrication analysis, vibration analysis, infrared, bearings maintenance, electric motors, etc.

Nissan recommends the following:
During the first 1,200 miles follow these recommendations to obtain maximum engine performance and ensure the future reliability and economy of your new vehicle.

Avoid driving for long periods at constant speed, either fast or slow.
Do not run the engine over 4,000 rpm.
Do not accelerate at full throttle in any gear.
Avoid quick starts.
Avoid hard braking as much as possible

I agree with Nissan's 'slow and steady' break in period. Here's why. When breaking in an engine, it is really not likely that internal machine tolerances are THAT out of wack; Nissan has probably gotten pretty good at machined parts and fitment. If there are any slightly off spec tolerances, you would want them to wear in gently and evenly. A gentle break in period allows for this. If you run the engine like you stole it, you risk inducing stress concentrations in machined parts and microscopic fatigue/cracking in the metal. This fatigue will NOT be noticeable for quite some time. But give it thousands of miles and a couple years, and those cracks propogate; fatigued metal begins to spall (tiny chunks break off). Other engine parts need to wear themselves in as well, such as bearings. Again, there should be no unreasonable machine tolerances in a new engine. But machining processes are not perfect, so tiny imperfections may exist, and a gentle break in period allows components to wear in in a 'safer' manner.

"If you don't run it hard, you won't seat your rings and you'll lose power"
Honestly, I do not know about specific engine parts, nor have I worked on them. But I find it hard to believe that one must run an engine hard to get the (piston?) rings to seat properly.

"Gentle break in promotes carbon buildup! It'll kill your engine"
I HIGHLY doubt that a new engine will have ANY carbon deposits after 1,200 miles. If it does, we're talking about MINUTE amounts that will dissipate from spirited driving after the break in period. Unless you're just using absolute crap for gasoline (and I mean ABSOLUTE crap). Not to mention carbon deposits occur over time and are largely influenced by the maintenance you perform on your engine over its life.


Just my two cents Hope it's informative to some.
My understanding was also to allow for lots of coast down during break-in to induce extra vacuum and seat the rings better.

Other than that, your break-in rationale makes sense, and is one I have always followed with any new motor.
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I did my break in in Opposite Way.. I went over 5k but not 7krpm.. Did 80-100miles/day..
I think they do same way with GT-R;s
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I was careful with mine until 1200 miles. Didn't floor it, do burnouts, or hold a steady throttle setting. At 1200 miles I changed to a high quality filter and synthetic oil. I'm not sure I needed to do that but it made me feel better. It wasn't recommended in the manual but I come from 20 years of motorcycle racing so that's what I'm familiar with. The oil I drained out was really clean with no particles visible to the eye.
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Luckily, I bought my Z 1000 miles from home, so the initial break in period was mostly over by the time I got the car home. It really sucked not having cruise control for the drive back though.
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Luckily, I bought my Z 1000 miles from home, so the initial break in period was mostly over by the time I got the car home. It really sucked not having cruise control for the drive back though.
Unluckily mine was already broken in by previous owner at 1500 miles, I guess mine is effed up. Who cares.. I dont care anymore.. I just want pictures ..LOL
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i like to break in my car nice and easy. gives me time to familiarize myself to the new car.
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perhaps this is why folks crash and i dont. lol
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