6 Cars With 300-Plus Horsepower That You Can Still Buy for Under $30,000
 

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All of them where 6 Cyl Muscle Cars that will not move that weight. The best two non-muscle were the Genesis and Z. Of course the Z was the best in the list.

:iagree: Exactly what I thought.

But you CAN buy a 5.0 for less than $30k as well

Granted, MSRP is $31,xxx, but invoice is still $28,xxx

Yep, all day long. All of those prices were based on MSRP. You'd have to be the easiest mark on the planet to pay within $5k of msrp for a Ford or Chevy. I don't know if Dodge has that much wiggle room since I wouldn't buy a Chrysler product at gunpoint.

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That's the funny thing- Chrysler was so bad, that the Italians improved them. :rofl2:

Mhmmmmm... Whatever you say... Yeah the Viper has a better interior, but on the rest of their cars... We'll see when Fiat REALLY takes over, their cars are going to break left and right

Don't mention the viper...they have shut down production right now because of super low sales, and now the SRT Viper is not racing at Le Mans this year. :shakes head:

91 vipers have been sold, with another 756 or so sitting in the lots... American junk will always be just that... Junk.

The SRT Viper Is A Terrible Sales Flop That Chrysler Has Had To Axe

Also, this list will be vastly different in the next 8 months.
Between the new Mustang coming out soon, an updated camaro frame (lighter with same power), and a line change at Nissan depending on what they end up doing (IDx and Z). 20k might buy you some nice power while 30k takes you into the 400+ range then.

I do not especially care for the looks of this Viper, but you :gtfo2:

Still love the Viper as a whole. Their issue is and always will be the Corvette. For the same or less money you get a faster car that handles better.
And while they are getting more HP out of that engine than ever before... OHV... Really? Even the other American companies moved past that... Make it a DOHC 8.4L, put a nice tune on it, and helllloooooooooo 750HP.

Also, previously dealers maybe received one Viper a year, if they were a top seller... I haven't seen any Dodge dealer carry one yet... While every Chevy dealer has at least 1 ZR1 in the showroom, same with Nissan, every dealer has at least 1 GTR sitting in their floor

Truly sad. They've got a great racing history.
Never driven a Viper, have you? The older ones are a great value these days for a toy sports car and I'd take the new one over a ZR1 all day long. They're so much fun to drive. The torque and grip are unbelievable, and the new one has even more. The only knock on it was the Neon interior and the heat, and they've fixed at least half of those problems.

IDX won't be close to 300hp, I bet not more than 250, and I can't see the Z getting more power. I see lighter.

Again. 30k already gets you a 5.0 which is nicely over 400HP