I just took out a 7AT for a ride...

shabarivas · 10-13-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka

Here's a lil factoid bout formula 1 cars
Formula 1 cars have top engineers designing new tech on a constant basis. This is what makes formula1 so expensive. The most successful of this technology is trickled down into production cars. R&d is furthered to make this tech cheaper yet good enough for daily use in production cars. So this auto may be formula 1 of 10 years ago??? But its still tech from the formula 1. So get over it.
U guys act like your crap slap manuals are the same manuals used in racing. Lol.
No, its a stripped crapped cheapened version of a true racing manual. Why not just ask nissan for a car with no tranny and build a true racing manual?

So in the end, its preference. And snyde comments like yours can go both ways.
1 to grow on.

I LUV THE 7AT!

Are you serious? Formula 1 cars DO not use the same manual we have in our cars... the Manual trans of the modern sports car is as evolved as it will get ... cheap or not... The auto however is not - granted the tq converter on the Z is really good - which is what allows for some of those quick shifts... But to compare either to a sequential manual is just retarded...

I am sure you love your A7 - but dont fool yourself -> any good manual driver will be able to shift MUCH faster than you ever can with the Zs auto... but most pro manual drivers will not be 1/2 as fast as a formula 1 shifter...

rudi · 10-13-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

I am sure you love your A7 - but dont fool yourself -> any good manual driver will be able to shift MUCH faster than you ever can with the Zs auto... but most pro manual drivers will not be 1/2 as fast as a formula 1 shifter...

Most not all 370z manual drivers will not be able to change as quickly and accurately as the 7AT. I loved my 6 speed in my S15 but I also like my 7AT. They are both fun to drive and have their advantages and disadvantages. If your a good manual shifter, then the 6 speed is for you.

phelan · 10-13-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

I am sure you love your A7 - but dont fool yourself -> any good manual driver will be able to shift MUCH faster than you ever can with the Zs auto... but most pro manual drivers will not be 1/2 as fast as a formula 1 shifter...

and reading some of the media (i know i know, i'm quoting media, bad idea), the 7AT is actually one of the best transmissions to come out in a while. the shifting is almost effortless for the system, and it responds almost as well as a pro driver shifting through the manual transmission...

shabarivas · 10-13-2009, 07:19 PM

I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol

bradz · 10-13-2009, 07:19 PM

How come most people here drives manual? What's that mean? Means, it is more fun to drive

MeetJoeAsian · 10-13-2009, 10:59 PM

Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you...

I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c...

xfrgtr · 10-13-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chief_Roka

Here's a lil factoid bout formula 1 cars
Formula 1 cars have top engineers designing new tech on a constant basis. This is what makes formula1 so expensive. The most successful of this technology is trickled down into production cars. R&d is furthered to make this tech cheaper yet good enough for daily use in production cars. So this auto may be formula 1 of 10 years ago??? But its still tech from the formula 1. So get over it.
U guys act like your crap slap manuals are the same manuals used in racing. Lol.
No, its a stripped crapped cheapened version of a true racing manual. Why not just ask nissan for a car with no tranny and build a true racing manual?

So in the end, its preference. And snyde comments like yours can go both ways.
1 to grow on.

I LUV THE 7AT!

kannibul · 10-13-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you...

I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c...

What are you talking about?

7AT changes to the next gear up or the next gear down *when* you tell it to - if you need to "skip" a gear, bump it twice...it does it.

The only exception is if it's in "auto" mode *and* you either flip it to manual, or bump the "-" paddle shifter, it'll drop from 7 to 5 when going down the highway, and I still will sometimes bump it twice to kick it to 4th and haul...if you bump the "+" paddle, it stays in 7th and you can back it down to 6th if you so desire, or pull over the stick at that point and it'll stay in 7th (I need to double check on moving the stick, though I know it will stay in 7th with the paddles and being in auto mode)

As for not being meant to - if that was the case, they wouldn't have made it so.

kannibul · 10-13-2009, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol

That reads like the Chuck Norris chin/fist joke.

stan618 · 10-13-2009, 11:52 PM

not knocking the 7AT but to compare the nissan 7AT to "autos" in Ferraris, GTRs, newer porsches, the new EVO, and F1 cars is a stretch as the 7AT is a conventional torque converter auto, where the "autos" of the other cars use a computer actuated clutch or dual clutch as in the PDK(porsche), DSG(audi) and nissan GTR.

not saying the 6MT is better than the 7AT, to me its personal preference. both make great sports cars.

MeetJoeAsian · 10-14-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

What are you talking about?

7AT changes to the next gear up or the next gear down *when* you tell it to - if you need to "skip" a gear, bump it twice...it does it.

The only exception is if it's in "auto" mode *and* you either flip it to manual, or bump the "-" paddle shifter, it'll drop from 7 to 5 when going down the highway, and I still will sometimes bump it twice to kick it to 4th and haul...if you bump the "+" paddle, it stays in 7th and you can back it down to 6th if you so desire, or pull over the stick at that point and it'll stay in 7th (I need to double check on moving the stick, though I know it will stay in 7th with the paddles and being in auto mode)

As for not being meant to - if that was the case, they wouldn't have made it so.

The automatic in the 370Z is a fully automatic engine with sequential shifting to imitate a manual...whereas the SMG and F1s are true manuals with sequential shifting....and this is where the fun is differentiated

don't get me wrong, I'm NOT knocking 7AT vs 6MT...I think the sequential automatic shifter in the 7AT is great, but it's just still not a manual transmission...a manual transmission is true gear and clutch shifting, whereas in the 7AT, it's a computer electronically imitating a manual....it's a great car if you want the occasional controlled driving, but it's still an automatic...

kannibul · 10-14-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

The automatic in the 370Z is a fully automatic engine with sequential shifting to imitate a manual...whereas the SMG and F1s are true manuals with sequential shifting....and this is where the fun is differentiated

don't get me wrong, I'm NOT knocking 7AT vs 6MT...I think the sequential automatic shifter in the 7AT is great, but it's just still not a manual transmission...a manual transmission is true gear and clutch shifting, whereas in the 7AT, it's a computer electronically imitating a manual....it's a great car if you want the occasional controlled driving, but it's still an automatic...

Honestly, how is there a difference from an operational, driver's, point of view between this transmission and an F1 transmission?

Both involve user intervention to make the shift, ie, pressing a paddle (or button), to initiate the shift, in sequence.

Am I saying they perform equally, hell no, but from an "enthusiast" (controlled) driving perspective, how is it really all that different? In fact, I'd say the advantage would go here to the 7AT because you can keep both hands on the wheel and manage your transmission with a flick of a finger. It's not an automatic imitating a manual, it's an automatic imitating a dual-clutch sequential transmission (ie, fast shifts) in fact, you could look at it the other way and say that SRM is the 6MT imitating the 7AT...

Until this car and it's transmission came along, I'd agree with you, automatics were slushy and too focused on being "smooth" in shifting...this car is anything but. Even in "auto" mode, it's still pretty firm between shifts. Move it over to manual mode, and it WILL NOT shift short allowing the driver to kill the engine for forgetting to downshift.

sw1318 · 10-14-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stan618

not knocking the 7AT but to compare the nissan 7AT to "autos" in Ferraris, GTRs, newer porsches, the new EVO, and F1 cars is a stretch as the 7AT is a conventional torque converter auto, where the "autos" of the other cars use a computer actuated clutch or dual clutch as in the PDK(porsche), DSG(audi) and nissan GTR.

not saying the 6MT is better than the 7AT, to me its personal preference. both make great sports cars.

I drive a SST and the new 7 speed AT on the 370Z. I got to say they are dame close!

Lug · 10-14-2009, 11:00 AM

The shift speed of the 7AT is advertised as 500 milliseconds. This is very very fast for a slush bucket tranny. Most are closer to the 1 second range.

MeetJoeAsian · 10-14-2009, 09:39 PM

I'm sure pretty soon, there will be a "SRM vs. natural downshift or heel-toe" thread...it's a preference, and I prefer the 6MT after almost trading it in for a 7AT...nothing against the 7AT, it's a great tranny, but I prefer just raw moving parts over an electronic limiter

10-13-2009, 07:19 PM	#80 (permalink)
bradz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pinellas County Florida Posts: 348 Drives: 09' 370z MB 6spd Rep Power: 16	How come most people here drives manual? What's that mean? Means, it is more fun to drive Last edited by bradz; 10-13-2009 at 11:19 PM.

10-13-2009, 10:59 PM	#81 (permalink)
MeetJoeAsian Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 342 Drives: 350Z to G35c to 370Z Rep Power: 16	Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you... I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c... __________________ http://facebook.com/meetjoeasian

10-13-2009, 11:52 PM	#85 (permalink)
stan618 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: los angeles Posts: 30 Drives: 09 370z manual sport Rep Power: 16	not knocking the 7AT but to compare the nissan 7AT to "autos" in Ferraris, GTRs, newer porsches, the new EVO, and F1 cars is a stretch as the 7AT is a conventional torque converter auto, where the "autos" of the other cars use a computer actuated clutch or dual clutch as in the PDK(porsche), DSG(audi) and nissan GTR. not saying the 6MT is better than the 7AT, to me its personal preference. both make great sports cars. __________________ 2009 370z pearl white 6 speed sport pkg

10-14-2009, 11:00 AM	#89 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 19	The shift speed of the 7AT is advertised as 500 milliseconds. This is very very fast for a slush bucket tranny. Most are closer to the 1 second range. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

10-14-2009, 09:39 PM	#90 (permalink)
MeetJoeAsian Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 342 Drives: 350Z to G35c to 370Z Rep Power: 16	I'm sure pretty soon, there will be a "SRM vs. natural downshift or heel-toe" thread...it's a preference, and I prefer the 6MT after almost trading it in for a 7AT...nothing against the 7AT, it's a great tranny, but I prefer just raw moving parts over an electronic limiter __________________ http://facebook.com/meetjoeasian

10-13-2009, 07:19 PM	#79 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol

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