Now U Can Hate Me - 370z v 350z

Red370 · 09-03-2009, 11:05 AM

I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

G = Luxury Car, Z = Sports Car. Of course there is a big difference.

Red370 · 09-03-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

G = Luxury Car, Z = Sports Car. Of course there is a big difference.

My G35 had a Tein coilover suspension with an EDFC unit. At its stiffest setting, my 370 still feels more responsive, with less over/understeer. Weight might be playing a factor, but 0 chance a 350 handles better. Nissan designed this car with track use in mind, thats why the wheel base was shortened, weight dropped, stickier tires applied, SRM used, and suspension IMPROVED, yes, improved, not downgraded. With the Z34, Nissan wanted to move forward. Worse handling than previous generations would be taking a step back dont you think? It might not "feel" like it handles better, but from a scientific standpoint, and proven faster lap times, it does. And lets not get into the "well the 370 has 332hp", on an auto x track, neither car will reach speeds where 30bhp makes a difference, and with 2 ft/lbs more, not a factor. Performance wise, the 370 is an all around better car. PERIOD.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

My G35 had a Tein coilover suspension with an EDFC unit. At its stiffest setting, my 370 still feels more responsive, with less over/understeer. Weight might be playing a factor, but 0 chance a 350 handles better. Nissan designed this car with track use in mind, thats why the wheel base was shortened, weight dropped, stickier tires applied, SRM used, and suspension IMPROVED, yes, improved, not downgraded. With the Z34, Nissan wanted to move forward. Worse handling than previous generations would be taking a step back dont you think? It might not "feel" like it handles better, but from a scientific standpoint, and proven faster lap times, it does. And lets not get into the "well the 370 has 332hp", on an auto x track, neither car will reach speeds where 30bhp makes a difference, and with 2 ft/lbs more, not a factor. Performance wise, the 370 is an all around better car. PERIOD.

LOL. A G35 is not a 350Z or a 370Z. Period. You can not compare the two cars. I had a G35, and went to a 350z NISMO. The 350Z and the NISMO handled way better than my G35 did just because it's a shorter wheel base, and it's designed to handle better.

Nissan is trying to get a different crowd this time. They want to keep the ride nice for daily driving, but also usable on the track. And that is what they did. It did cause the handling to not be as good in responsiveness, but you have to give or take sometimes. Nissan did this on the power plant from the Z32 to the Z33. They went backwards as the 350z was slower than the 300zx TT.

And truthfully, I haven't seen any TRACK times published where both cars were on the track in the same conditions to compare. So you can't say one had faster times vs the other till this happens.

Performance wise on the track, the 370z IMHO doesn't FEEL to be better because it is less stable at higher speeds vs the 350z.

Lug · 09-03-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

LOL. A G35 is not a 350Z or a 370Z. Period. You can not compare the two cars. I had a G35, and went to a 350z NISMO. The 350Z and the NISMO handled way better than my G35 did just because it's a shorter wheel base, and it's designed to handle better.

Nissan is trying to get a different crowd this time. They want to keep the ride nice for daily driving, but also usable on the track. And that is what they did. It did cause the handling to not be as good in responsiveness, but you have to give or take sometimes. Nissan did this on the power plant from the Z32 to the Z33. They went backwards as the 350z was slower than the 300zx TT.

And truthfully, I haven't seen any TRACK times published where both cars were on the track in the same conditions to compare. So you can't say one had faster times vs the other till this happens.

Performance wise on the track, the 370z IMHO doesn't FEEL to be better because it is less stable at higher speeds vs the 350z.

That's because they never take the shipping spacers out of the coilovers on the NISMO 370Z.

....or so I've been told!

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

That's because they never take the shipping spacers out of the coilovers on the NISMO 370Z.

....or so I've been told!

Mine were left in, and so were a few others that got them. LOL. BTW, they do not have coilovers. They have Springs and struts.

corbin09 · 09-03-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Mine's not modded in the suspension area.

yours is a nismo though.. i think he is talking about a base or touring.

Lug · 09-03-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Mine were left in, and so were a few others that got them. LOL. BTW, they do not have coilovers. They have Springs and struts.

Funny thing is I've seen at least 3 or 4 comments on the spacers being left in. One guy went to complain and was told that they are supposed to be removed at the dock facilities when they get in-country, not at the dealer. Don't know if that's true or not.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 03:48 PM

Yea. I know the car has a sticker on the windshield that says remove before delivering with a picture of the spring. LOL

jakoye · 09-03-2009, 05:04 PM

I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster.

I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds):

"There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character."

The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line

If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me.

jmlenz · 09-03-2009, 06:34 PM

I think we all have to respect this guys opinion...but in MY opinion (coming from an 04 enthusiast) the handling of my 370 sport is greatly improved. NOT like night and day or DRASTICALLY improved but def more solid, stable, and flat. More of an evolution rather then a revolution. EVERY review by independent mags agree on this point, over in the 350 forums even they agree handling is the largest reason for 'upgrading' (along with interior). I think this guys review is biased as all hell but hey thats what an online forum is all about!

DooDooBrown · 09-03-2009, 07:31 PM

One of those guys, doesn't like syncho-rev because it takes away from the "skill of driving", doesn't like Clarkson because he is edgy and provokative..... It doesn't matter that the 370 has recieved raving reviews from several different automotive presses located throughout the world, what every single one did was forget to do high speed testing. Its a sports car, and I have no idea where you are saying it has poor high speed handling, however, considering I have yet to see anyone else but YOU raise that concern, I am not going to take it very seriously. I stopped reading there, got only knows what you wrote on the GT-R....

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 07:34 PM

Skipad G = Tires, MPH = suspension.

The NISMO 350Z had a higher mph than the NISMO 370z in all the tests. Which means it's the car that can go faster through the slalom without issues. It handles better.

But 350z vs 370z, that I can not answer.

Due to little weight savings, shorter wheel base is mainly why it handles a little better, the suspension is softer however.

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Originally Posted by jakoye

I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster.

I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds):

"There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character."

The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line

If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me.

gnarf · 09-03-2009, 08:50 PM

how would a base+sport 370 do, compared to the Nismo 350z. We all know the Nismo 370z is not really the performance car everyone was expecting..added weight and too stiff suspension

Lug · 09-03-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gnarf

how would a base+sport 370 do, compared to the Nismo 350z. We all know the Nismo 370z is not really the performance car everyone was expecting..added weight and too stiff suspension

The NISMO 350Z skidpads at .91 to .96 and slaloms at 69 to 71 MPH (Edmunds and R&T). The 370Z skidpads at slightly higher (.97 to .99) and slaloms from 70 to almost 72. Esentially handling is virtually a tie. The NISMO 370Z fall way off to the point where I'm convinced there is sabatoge going on!

09-03-2009, 03:48 PM	#69 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 491	Yea. I know the car has a sticker on the windshield that says remove before delivering with a picture of the spring. LOL __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

09-03-2009, 05:04 PM	#70 (permalink)
jakoye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 257 Drives: 06 Mustang GT Rep Power: 16	I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster. I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds): "There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character." The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me. __________________ Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

09-03-2009, 06:34 PM	#71 (permalink)
jmlenz Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 645 Drives: a car Rep Power: 643	I think we all have to respect this guys opinion...but in MY opinion (coming from an 04 enthusiast) the handling of my 370 sport is greatly improved. NOT like night and day or DRASTICALLY improved but def more solid, stable, and flat. More of an evolution rather then a revolution. EVERY review by independent mags agree on this point, over in the 350 forums even they agree handling is the largest reason for 'upgrading' (along with interior). I think this guys review is biased as all hell but hey thats what an online forum is all about! Last edited by jmlenz; 09-04-2009 at 05:37 PM.

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

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DooDooBrown Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ranson, WV Posts: 178 Drives: 09 370 Touring w/spt Rep Power: 16	One of those guys, doesn't like syncho-rev because it takes away from the "skill of driving", doesn't like Clarkson because he is edgy and provokative..... It doesn't matter that the 370 has recieved raving reviews from several different automotive presses located throughout the world, what every single one did was forget to do high speed testing. Its a sports car, and I have no idea where you are saying it has poor high speed handling, however, considering I have yet to see anyone else but YOU raise that concern, I am not going to take it very seriously. I stopped reading there, got only knows what you wrote on the GT-R....

09-03-2009, 08:50 PM	#74 (permalink)
gnarf Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 160 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 16	how would a base+sport 370 do, compared to the Nismo 350z. We all know the Nismo 370z is not really the performance car everyone was expecting..added weight and too stiff suspension