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Originally Posted by 1325 Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the

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Old 02-20-2014, 08:12 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the same.
It's illegal when they get caught, yes...

L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas
L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas - Los Angeles Times

Stossel: Alabama Cop Fired For Recording His Sgt. Ordering Ticket Quota "The Police State" 8/15/2013 - YouTube

But there are ways to keep people in line:
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas - Reason.com

Do police have quotas

New York Post reported Monday that two city police sergeants have testified they were ordered to meet a quota.
NYC cops reportedly confirm ticket quotas - US news | NBC News


They can call them "performance standards" or whatever, and tie them to overtime and promotions, so they can effect pay and skirt the legality issues.


ABC15 Exclusive Investigation: Do DPS officers have to meet traffic ticket and arrest quotas? - Story

We asked DPS about what appears to be quotas set out in the memo.

Arizona DPS Spokesperson Officer Tim Case insists they are not quotas.

"We don't have quotas here," Case said.

Officer Case calls the requirements performance standards and says that it's just a way the department has to make sure officers are doing their jobs.

http://www.copssoundoff.com/is-there...vity-standards


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Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the same.
They may be illegal but are an unwritten rule. My friend went to the road and eventually got on a motorcycle. He told me he has to write 50 tickets a week or they will pull him off the bike. It's about revenue folks, there are quotas...believe it. Maybe not every department but most big cities. The economy sucks and tax revenue is down, gotta pay the bills somehow.
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It's illegal when they get caught, yes...

L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas
L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas - Los Angeles Times

Stossel: Alabama Cop Fired For Recording His Sgt. Ordering Ticket Quota "The Police State" 8/15/2013 - YouTube

But there are ways to keep people in line:
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas - Reason.com

Do police have quotas

New York Post reported Monday that two city police sergeants have testified they were ordered to meet a quota.
NYC cops reportedly confirm ticket quotas - US news | NBC News


They can call them "performance standards" or whatever, and tie them to overtime and promotions, so they can effect pay and skirt the legality issues.


ABC15 Exclusive Investigation: Do DPS officers have to meet traffic ticket and arrest quotas? - Story

We asked DPS about what appears to be quotas set out in the memo.

Arizona DPS Spokesperson Officer Tim Case insists they are not quotas.

"We don't have quotas here," Case said.

Officer Case calls the requirements performance standards and says that it's just a way the department has to make sure officers are doing their jobs.

Is there a difference between Quotas and "Productivity Standards?"


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It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...
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It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...
Since there is a huge amount of people that have some king of warrant on them LE will pull over a car when there is a "violation" to check for warrants and then let you go when you're cleared with a warning...kinda like fishing. Every day I become more and more libertarian and would find it difficult to do anything but drive around in circles if I went to the road. Legalized extortion isn't something I can do for a living and go home at night and sleep. Don't get me wrong...there is a need for LE but taking food off of their tables for not having a seat belt on is theft and is a violation of your oath. My
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So then after you get the ticket, let him leave first, then you follow HIM!
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It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...
If you change lanes often, regardless of how you change them, it's construed as "aggressive driving".

I got pulled over for it a long time ago in my SRT. Wasn't speeding, wasn't whipping into the next lane, just kind of going through traffic that was going slower than the posted limit.


MCSO said that it's considered aggressive driving and he could cite me for it, but he was on his way home (have gotten the "on the way home" let-off several times ) and to tone it down.
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He cannot ticket you legally as he was breaking the law himself (tailgating). If you received a ticket you can fight it and win as they're hardly ever there at the hearing. Also to note, if you get pulled over at night and the cop has a headlight out he cannot ticket you either as he/she is in violation and they cannot enforce what they can't maintain themselves. That has saved me once.
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Go to the police station and file a complaint on him. You will be surprised on what will happen and no you wont go to jail and then they know you are serious when you are there writing a statement.
I have done this several times over the years and got major apologies from the brass.
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He cannot ticket you legally as he was breaking the law himself (tailgating). If you received a ticket you can fight it and win as they're hardly ever there at the hearing. Also to note, if you get pulled over at night and the cop has a headlight out he cannot ticket you either as he/she is in violation and they cannot enforce what they can't maintain themselves. That has saved me once.
So if I speed he cannot speed to catch me? Riiiight.
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First time since I got my Z 1.5 months ago that I got pulled over today.....for......absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Got a Seatbelt Ticket ...Sigh....
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Just to say thanks to an unnamed LEO: I pulled up next to a black charger the other day at an intersection near an entrance ramp to the interstate (didn't know I was next to a LEO). Light turns green and I jump on the throttle (not racing, just didn't want to be behind a dodge getting onto the highway). A lot of nose, some tire spin, and a bit of yaw as the rear end pulled hard to one side. I think I was well within the ticket-able zone. LEO fires up his grill lights and I thought I was toast. I slow down and wait to be pulled over, but it never happens. I think he was just saying "settle down, boy." I think he must have gotten a good laugh at my lack of awareness: all black charger with limo tints should have been at least a hint. I've been lucky; seldom stopped but stops have always been justified.

Anyway, thanks anonymous LEO!
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Just to say thanks to an unnamed LEO: I pulled up next to a black charger the other day at an intersection near an entrance ramp to the interstate (didn't know I was next to a LEO). Light turns green and I jump on the throttle (not racing, just didn't want to be behind a dodge getting onto the highway). A lot of nose, some tire spin, and a bit of yaw as the rear end pulled hard to one side. I think I was well within the ticket-able zone. LEO fires up his grill lights and I thought I was toast. I slow down and wait to be pulled over, but it never happens. I think he was just saying "settle down, boy." I think he must have gotten a good laugh at my lack of awareness: all black charger with limo tints should have been at least a hint. I've been lucky; seldom stopped but stops have always been justified.

Anyway, thanks anonymous LEO!
I was driving through campus and flew past a cop doing about 15 over. (It was a 25 which should be a 35). He turned on the blues for 2 seconds and then turned them off. I appreciated the warning!
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Just to say thanks to an unnamed LEO: I pulled up next to a black charger the other day at an intersection near an entrance ramp to the interstate (didn't know I was next to a LEO). Light turns green and I jump on the throttle (not racing, just didn't want to be behind a dodge getting onto the highway). A lot of nose, some tire spin, and a bit of yaw as the rear end pulled hard to one side. I think I was well within the ticket-able zone. LEO fires up his grill lights and I thought I was toast. I slow down and wait to be pulled over, but it never happens. I think he was just saying "settle down, boy." I think he must have gotten a good laugh at my lack of awareness: all black charger with limo tints should have been at least a hint. I've been lucky; seldom stopped but stops have always been justified.

Anyway, thanks anonymous LEO!

Exhibition of speed. Def. a ticketable offense.

Sometimes you get lucky and they just kind of warn you.

Or give you the Mutumbo finger wag when you fly onto the freeway from the interchange... and just in case he didn't see you, SRM will match revs even if you throw it into neutral, thus making sure you got the officers attention.

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Got a Seatbelt Ticket ...Sigh....
You wont be able to type that after going through the windshield. You deserved it if you were not wearing one.
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