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Justice97 · 01-08-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Plus in 4 years of winter driving on ice/snow tires I've never once come close to slipping on ice.

Knock on Ice....errr I mean wood.

synolimit · 01-08-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97

Knock on Ice....errr I mean wood.

Lateral movement with a ice/snow tire around a corner is also reduced. My summers will slide out at 3mph and put me into a curb. A ice/snow tire within the safe speed limit of a corner holds firm, no chance of slip. Also confirmed with tire rack on a ice rink.

2011 Nismo#91 · 01-09-2014, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Lateral movement with a ice/snow tire around a corner is also reduced. My summers will slide out at 3mph and put me into a curb. A ice/snow tire within the safe speed limit of a corner holds firm, no chance of slip. Also confirmed with tire rack on a ice rink.

So your going to drive at no more then 10 mph during the winter on the highway, which is the speed they did the test at.? And all your ice is going to be nice dry ice rink ice during the winter. I agree with the results that winter tires help and are much better then summer tires but that test is not practical real world conditions.

If you hit a patch of wet ice like you have during or just after an ice storm on the highway your not going to stop in 10' shown in the test, more like a few hundred if your lucky enough to be on a flat area of pavement.

synolimit · 01-09-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

So your going to drive at no more then 10 mph during the winter on the highway, which is the speed they did the test at.? And all your ice is going to be nice dry ice rink ice during the winter. I agree with the results that winter tires help and are much better then summer tires but that test is not practical real world conditions.

If you hit a patch of wet ice like you have during or just after an ice storm on the highway your not going to stop in 10' shown in the test, more like a few hundred if your lucky enough to be on a flat area of pavement.

When did I say that? I said within the speed limit I drive! And in corners where the yellow signs say 35mph "recommended" I do it. Never once an issue.

Yes it is practical. A ice rink is worse than real world. Real world has ice and snow and salt and bumps of ice and snow etc all to which give more grip than 100% pure ice. It also shows the performance of an ice/snow tire is double the performance of a summer tire no matter the speed. The OP would not of crashed plain and simple. No **** you wouldn't stop at 10 feet on the highway. That's not what where talking about. But I'd rather stop in 100 feet than 200 feet! And who the hell brakes 100% always on ice? You don't! You slow down and with the right tire you can manuver for whatever you need to do. Since an ice/snow tires has a ton of grip in bad weather you can avoid pretty much any situation.

2011 Nismo#91 · 01-09-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Since an ice/snow tires has a ton of grip in bad weather you can avoid pretty much any situation.

Yep that's why pretty much everyone with winter tires has never gotten into an accident in the winter.

I don't know how OH makes their shoulders on the highway but we don't have 100' of pavement on either side of the exit ramps to stop for ice, to go 10' or less to one side your in the ditch, guardrail, or tree.

Practical? Walking across an ice rink flat is easy, walking across a parking lot covered in wet bumpy ice is difficult to keep your balance because your sliding down bumps in all different directions. Their cars wouldn't have stopped all nice and straight, they would have stopped angled, sideways, and backward like cars do when they spin out on ice because road ice is not all nice and flat.

mdxj · 01-09-2014, 07:00 PM

There is a very good chance, that with winter tires, he would have recovered but with how bad the roads were, OK does a piss poor job with clearing and sanding, it's hard to tell. I was sliding in 4low while in my jeep and my tires do great in snow and ice. With the weather we have here, you need a dedicated winter set for days like that, summer will not work as the OP learned the hard way.

synolimit · 01-09-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mdxj

There is a very good chance, that with winter tires, he would have recovered but with how bad the roads were, OK does a piss poor job with clearing and sanding, it's hard to tell. I was sliding in 4low while in my jeep and my tires do great in snow and ice. With the weather we have here, you need a dedicated winter set for days like that, summer will not work as the OP learned the hard way.

I had wranglers on my jeep wrangler. Worst tire ever combined with that jeep for any snow or ice! Firestone winter force ice/snow tires made the thing a tank! I still by any car, any legal situation, with a ice/snow tire.

Mozen · 01-10-2014, 01:39 AM

Im always worried about this here in Germany. I daily Drive the Z and dont have the resources to pay for a third car AND insurance (wife has the 2nd). So far this year the weather has been warm here however i have winter tires on and im just driving defensively.

OP im very glad your ok!

dtul · 01-12-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mdxj

There is a very good chance, that with winter tires, he would have recovered but with how bad the roads were, OK does a piss poor job with clearing and sanding, it's hard to tell. I was sliding in 4low while in my jeep and my tires do great in snow and ice. With the weather we have here, you need a dedicated winter set for days like that, summer will not work as the OP learned the hard way.

I live in Dallas not OKC, buy I can't imagine them getting drastically more ice than us. Our winters just aren't harsh enough to require winter tires. We do fine on all seasons and I'm pretty sure the vast majority up there do as well.
For the few times a year it does get bad enough to need them you just have to drive really carefully or call a cab or something.

Edit: I just saw you were from OKC so you obviously would know better than me. I still don't think it would get bad enough to need them most of the time, but I'll defer to you here.

mdxj · 01-12-2014, 08:08 PM

Most of the time it's not bad, but every year I have been here, we have had at least one nasty ice storm. This year it was 3. Blizzaks may be over kill but a good set of all seasons are needed. Our weather is a little more bi-polar then Dallas for some reason plus they don't really clear the roads here. Running on summer only up here is just asking for trouble

nmjaxx9 · 01-12-2014, 08:24 PM

Sell the car get another! Simple. Or not just fix it and keep driving.

synolimit · 01-19-2014, 12:53 AM

Winter Tyres v Summer Tyres: the Truth! - Auto Express - YouTube

Nice to see speeds of cars still traveling when the others have stopped. 25 and 20mph will **** your day up.

Drakonis GTR · 01-19-2014, 12:12 PM

Ice storms in the south suck a lot more than they do up north. Northern states have the infrastructure to deal with ice/snow. I used to live in Arkansas, and the 2 times (while I lived there) that it snowed, the city governments were using graders as snow plows and were spreading ash (yes, I said ash) on the roads to help with traction. Needless to say, there were a lot of accidents during those storms.

Tires can always make a big difference, but they will not always save you. Sometimes **** happens, and all you can do is hang on. Glad to see you're ok, OP. Hopefully you get a nice new ride to enjoy.

alphajam · 01-19-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yetamedi

Well I didn't think so either until the estimate came in at $22,600. 3 air bags went off inside (drivers steering wheel, passenger side seat, and passenger side window), they also said 3 wheels needed replacement. Most of the mechanical damage was to the drivers side front knuckle and attachments. The rest of the damage was in body parts (front clip, rear bumper and quarter panel). $16,000 of the estimate was just in parts since they had to order original OEM Nissan parts as it was less than 2 years old.

On a side note, it is suprising how much smoke/dust/particulates those air bags discharge into the cabin. I could smell it for 2 days after and it about choked me out of the car right after it happened.

That smell will stay with you forever. I still smell it from a wreck 9 years ago.

01-09-2014, 07:00 PM	#51 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	There is a very good chance, that with winter tires, he would have recovered but with how bad the roads were, OK does a piss poor job with clearing and sanding, it's hard to tell. I was sliding in 4low while in my jeep and my tires do great in snow and ice. With the weather we have here, you need a dedicated winter set for days like that, summer will not work as the OP learned the hard way. __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

01-10-2014, 01:39 AM	#53 (permalink)
Mozen Track Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 820 Drives: Nissan 370z PW M6 Rep Power: 18	Im always worried about this here in Germany. I daily Drive the Z and dont have the resources to pay for a third car AND insurance (wife has the 2nd). So far this year the weather has been warm here however i have winter tires on and im just driving defensively. OP im very glad your ok! __________________ PW 370z \| AEM \| MISHIMOTO \| ARK PERFORMANCE \| WHITELINE \| NISMO \| STILLEN \| FORGESTAR \| BC RACING \| AMS \| NON STOP TUNING \| CARBONETICS LSD \| 4 Point DOM 1.75" SCCA Spec Roll Bar + Harness Bar CHECK OUT MY BUILD THREAD HERE

01-12-2014, 08:08 PM	#55 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	Most of the time it's not bad, but every year I have been here, we have had at least one nasty ice storm. This year it was 3. Blizzaks may be over kill but a good set of all seasons are needed. Our weather is a little more bi-polar then Dallas for some reason plus they don't really clear the roads here. Running on summer only up here is just asking for trouble __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

01-19-2014, 12:53 AM	#57 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	Winter Tyres v Summer Tyres: the Truth! - Auto Express - YouTube Nice to see speeds of cars still traveling when the others have stopped. 25 and 20mph will **** your day up. __________________ 13 370z-

01-19-2014, 12:12 PM	#58 (permalink)
Drakonis GTR Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 154 Drives: 09' 370Z B/S Rd M6 Rep Power: 12	Ice storms in the south suck a lot more than they do up north. Northern states have the infrastructure to deal with ice/snow. I used to live in Arkansas, and the 2 times (while I lived there) that it snowed, the city governments were using graders as snow plows and were spreading ash (yes, I said ash) on the roads to help with traction. Needless to say, there were a lot of accidents during those storms. Tires can always make a big difference, but they will not always save you. Sometimes **** happens, and all you can do is hang on. Glad to see you're ok, OP. Hopefully you get a nice new ride to enjoy. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Base w/ Sport Package F.I . LTHs with Non-Resonated Cat-back exhaust (C.F.) / Stillen Gen3 CAI / Up-Rev Tune

01-12-2014, 08:24 PM	#56 (permalink)
nmjaxx9 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Middletown, Ct Posts: 5,853 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 26	Sell the car get another! Simple. Or not just fix it and keep driving.