Thinking of getting rid of my 40th

Cbtech · 12-02-2013, 09:07 PM

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Akmcmahon · 12-03-2013, 03:05 AM

Hate to say there is definitely a lot of bias here. The ZL1 outperforms the Z in every category except braking. It is a heavy car and may not feel as nimble as the Z, but when put to the test it will beat the Z with room to spare. Granted it does have a distinct power advantage. It's still a very well designed car.

That said, why the ZL1 over a C7 Corvette? Base price on a Vette is cheaper, the Vette is way lighter, quicker 0-60, better handling, better gas mileage, and looks better IMO. Even with the Z51 package and magnetic ride control, it comes out the same price as the ZL1. You can go much higher on the Vette of course, but you don't have to.

Mark Gomez · 12-03-2013, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zefaulter

What is the point of this trade? More power? Better handling? Do you prefer the look of a camaro over our Z? Just want to spend money?

If power is the motivating factor, boost the Z. If it's power and handling, add coilovers... I don't know if it'll be as good/better/worse, it's just an idea. If you are thinking about getting a camaro to begin with, you will probably get it.

I like the Darth Vader look of the black ZL1.
Other reasons are its expensive to mod the 370z with not much gain unless you spend about 10grand or more to turbo/supercharge it. lastly I guess I am getting tired of it and I kinda want some V8 old school muscle. In the end I might just stay with my Z. Really all this is just a want not a need I have other cars.

MacLean · 12-03-2013, 09:05 AM

I’m pretty much in line with everyone else here. I’m not a huge fan of the Camaro and all the versions look the same. I would rather have the Shelby GT500 over the Camaro Zl1. If you are going to spend this kind of money to get a Zl1, then why not pay a couple dollars more and get the new Corvette. The new Corvette is pretty effen sexy, 7MT (if you go this route), V8, lots of power, kick arse gas mileage considering a V8 & the hp it has, and etc. You also need to stop and think which car will give you the most headache down the road to fix and which car is more reliable too.

Cbtech · 12-03-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Akmcmahon

Hate to say there is definitely a lot of bias here. The ZL1 outperforms the Z in every category except braking. It is a heavy car and may not feel as nimble as the Z, but when put to the test it will beat the Z with room to spare. Granted it does have a distinct power advantage. It's still a very well designed car.

That said, why the ZL1 over a C7 Corvette? Base price on a Vette is cheaper, the Vette is way lighter, quicker 0-60, better handling, better gas mileage, and looks better IMO. Even with the Z51 package and magnetic ride control, it comes out the same price as the ZL1. You can go much higher on the Vette of course, but you don't have to.

True that there is a bias BUT the ZL1 doesn't outperform in every aspect, sorry that is incorrect. The Z is lighter, more nimble and (as you already pointed out) has better braking. Pound for pound they are close in performance...if the Z had 300 more horses

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bigdog1250 · 12-03-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

When I contemplate getting a new car, I stop and ask myself, "Can I have $30K more fun than my current Z?" That Corvette C7 will continue to tempt me more, because the current answer to my own question is, NO.

But for $10k more you can have a HELL of a lot more with a used Z06

I upgraded to a Z06 in May and it is day and night different. The Z was quick but the vette is on another planet. The ZL1s are really badass and they actually handle really well since they have the mag ride suspension, but the downside is the crappy A pilar that cuts out needed visibility when turning and the overall size of the car for me is too large. The weight doesn't matter as much when you have 580hp and huge brakes, but for general (non-performance) maneuvering and parking it plays a big part.

If you're looking for more power and torque, you have to ditch the Z. Even with Twin Turbos, you're not going to make as much RELIABLE power as you can with the V8. And with the V8 there won't be any gauges to monitor or headaches. Just stomp the gas and go.

The Z is a great platform for 300-400hp. More than that is stretching it.

Waiz · 12-03-2013, 02:47 PM

Sounds like you already made your mind OP, considering that they are two completely different cars I would just part out your Z and buy the ZL1 so you can be happy about it

A modded car is actually worth less if you trade it in so try to find a buyer through the forum or autotrader otherwise return it to stock and get raped on the trade in

Jordo! · 12-03-2013, 03:02 PM

Sell your car privately if you plan to sell; remove and part out whatever mods you can.

If you want a Camaro, go for it. Alternatively, wait and see what the next Mustang will look like.

My own (possibly worthless) opinion: I am not a fan of the new Camaro, or really of the new Mustang -- if I had to have backseats, my guilty pleasure would be a blown, black Charger or Challenger SRT8.

Akmcmahon · 12-03-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech

True that there is a bias BUT the ZL1 doesn't outperform in every aspect, sorry that is incorrect. The Z is lighter, more nimble and (as you already pointed out) has better braking. Pound for pound they are close in performance...if the Z had 300 more horses

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You just repeated what I said without any counter facts to support your point. I already stated the Z feels more nimble which is due to it's lighter weight. Yet the ZL1 pulls as much if not more lateral Gs. The ZL1 trounced the 370Z on the Nurburgring and is up there with the big boys in time. Giving the Z the same power as the ZL1 isn't actually a good comparison either. A fair comparison would be to match hp/lb ratio. Do that and you have a very interesting battle.

In either case, you win with a C7 for the same price. I say get the Corvette.

b15 · 12-03-2013, 04:11 PM

I don't doubt the ZL1's capabilities but for me, performance is only one aspect. This is purely subjective, obviously, but I find the exterior/interior styling of the Camaro a huge turn off. It's just trying too hard on the outside, combined with the Wal-Mart special interior. The Corvette is better, but, as a whole, they have never appealed to me. For the asking price of a ZL1, I would rather TT my Z and load it with suspension goodies, because it's more my style. Again this is purely subjective and to each his own. Good luck with whatever you do.

zefaulter · 12-03-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Gomez

I like the Darth Vader look of the black ZL1.
Other reasons are its expensive to mod the 370z with not much gain unless you spend about 10grand or more to turbo/supercharge it. lastly I guess I am getting tired of it and I kinda want some V8 old school muscle. In the end I might just stay with my Z. Really all this is just a want not a need I have other cars.

Yup, you've already made up your mind... Good luck and post photos when you pick it up

Firebase99 · 12-03-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

I'm not a fan of the Camaro but there was a ZL1 on the track at Sebring and it was fast!

When? Last weekend? You with Chin?

A ZL1...? Me drive a ZL1? I dunno. Ditto the Sebring statement...it was FAST! Ugly and fast!

StangerGT · 12-03-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XxACExX

I was looking at a zl1 camaro prior to when i purchased my nismo z. The thing that was the deal breaker for me was when i was sitting in the car i could not believe how hideous the interior is. I realize the car has insane power but there is no comparison between sitting in the drivers seat of a z and a camaro. Also when i took the zl1 out for a test drive it experienced body roll in the corners and just felt real bulky to drive. In a straight line the zl1 shines but anything else and it blows.
My advice to you is to keep your car and if more power is what you seek just go the FI route on your z and then you can blow the doors off the camaro.

Hold on a second while I LOL at this comment...

StangerGT · 12-03-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech

a lot of the video's showing the ZL1 on the track show the car using the motor to power its way through the corners not using its suspension so much. Camaros are known for the heavy body roll but solid straight line speed. Now thats not to say you could mod it to be a stiff car since aftermarket parts for this car are easy to find and cheap. As far as uniqueness factor (meaning how often you see them on the street 1 being the most etc etc.) they are not very

Mustangs - are EVERYWHERE

iknorite? i mean srsly... whats wrong with those guys...

XxACExX · 12-04-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

Hold on a second while I LOL at this comment...

You can laugh all you want dude, I tested the car out and these were my findings. My opinion maybe funny to you but I suggest you go drive one yourself and find out.

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Akmcmahon Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 159 Drives: 13 370Z Mag Black M6 Rep Power: 13	Hate to say there is definitely a lot of bias here. The ZL1 outperforms the Z in every category except braking. It is a heavy car and may not feel as nimble as the Z, but when put to the test it will beat the Z with room to spare. Granted it does have a distinct power advantage. It's still a very well designed car. That said, why the ZL1 over a C7 Corvette? Base price on a Vette is cheaper, the Vette is way lighter, quicker 0-60, better handling, better gas mileage, and looks better IMO. Even with the Z51 package and magnetic ride control, it comes out the same price as the ZL1. You can go much higher on the Vette of course, but you don't have to. jaedub and Mark Gomez like this.

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MacLean A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,589 Drives: '12 GM Nismo # 0445 Rep Power: 16	I’m pretty much in line with everyone else here. I’m not a huge fan of the Camaro and all the versions look the same. I would rather have the Shelby GT500 over the Camaro Zl1. If you are going to spend this kind of money to get a Zl1, then why not pay a couple dollars more and get the new Corvette. The new Corvette is pretty effen sexy, 7MT (if you go this route), V8, lots of power, kick arse gas mileage considering a V8 & the hp it has, and etc. You also need to stop and think which car will give you the most headache down the road to fix and which car is more reliable too. __________________ l Meisterschaft Full Cat-Back Exhaust l F. I. Resonated High Flow Cats l Stillen Gen 3 l M370 Intake Manifold l UpRev l JWT Clutch & Flywheel l ZSpeed HD CSC l Stillen 19 Row Oil Cooler l ZSpeed Powercoated Under Tray l GTSpec: 6, 4, 2 Point Brace l

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Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	Sounds like you already made your mind OP, considering that they are two completely different cars I would just part out your Z and buy the ZL1 so you can be happy about it A modded car is actually worth less if you trade it in so try to find a buyer through the forum or autotrader otherwise return it to stock and get raped on the trade in bigdog1250 likes this.

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Sell your car privately if you plan to sell; remove and part out whatever mods you can. If you want a Camaro, go for it. Alternatively, wait and see what the next Mustang will look like. My own (possibly worthless) opinion: I am not a fan of the new Camaro, or really of the new Mustang -- if I had to have backseats, my guilty pleasure would be a blown, black Charger or Challenger SRT8. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 12-04-2013 at 10:43 AM.

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b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	I don't doubt the ZL1's capabilities but for me, performance is only one aspect. This is purely subjective, obviously, but I find the exterior/interior styling of the Camaro a huge turn off. It's just trying too hard on the outside, combined with the Wal-Mart special interior. The Corvette is better, but, as a whole, they have never appealed to me. For the asking price of a ZL1, I would rather TT my Z and load it with suspension goodies, because it's more my style. Again this is purely subjective and to each his own. Good luck with whatever you do.

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