370z vs. 300zx twin turbo
 

heres a video on top gear of a 350z vs. a 300zx tt. the 350z loses. do you guys think a stock 370z is would beat this stock 300zx tt?
YouTube - 350z vs 300zx

I think from a dead stop the 370 would beat the 300zx. From a roll of about 10mph the TT would win. The TT is incredible once it's moving, just not a great drag car. 370 engine size, weight and torque would take it off the line a beat it thru the qtr.

:iagree: the 370z has improvements over the 350z and would do very well in a qtr mile run.

My 240 can also take care of 300zx tt ! oh never mind I forgot I had a V8. :D

One video doesn't prove crap. The fact is that the 03-06 350z is a drivers race when compared to the 300zxTT and from a roll the 300zx has the edge. The 07-08 350z would kill a 300zx TT in a drag and would easily walk a 300zxTT from a roll. The 370z would have no issues in any kind of a race. The 300zxTT and similar cars of the era just have so much hype behind them that it's hard for people to let go. The 300zxTT in it's time was amazing but in today's world it's nothing special and actually kind of slow (in stock form). I mean remember, this car pulls a 13.9 in the 1/4. That is the same times that a 20k SRT-4 can pull, a 25k WRX will pull much faster times, same with the cobtalt SS, etc. To it's credit the 300zxTT with some basic mods is a monster but in stock form it's so restricted from the factory. Just some old history for your new people to the Z world, when Nissan designed the VG30TT motor they designed it with 600hp in mind. Then they went ahead and swaped in smaller turbos and intercoolers, plugged up the exhaust and intake, and dialed down the ECU. This is why with some basic mods the car really responds.

i would not say 5.5 seconds to 60 is slow. i do in fact believe the 300zx tt is faster than any 03-06 350z. with the hr engine it might be a different story.

Well that video was a 1/4 mile from a dead stop and the 300 had it by a car length. I think it would be close with a 370.

A 300ZX TT is faster then a 03-06 350Z. In the 1/4 mile a 07-08 350Z has a slight edge, from a roll its a drivers race. A 370Z should beat a stock 300ZX TT everywhere.

For reference a well running & driven 300ZX TT is capable of a low 5 second 0-60 and mid-high 13s in the 1/4 mile. Stock TT Zs should trap around 103-105MPH.

1985 Nissan 300ZX 8.2 16.4
1985 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.4 15.7
1987 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 8.8 16.5
1989 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.5 15.0
1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1991 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 7.5 15.9
1991 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.0 15.4
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9

2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)

2009 Nissan 370Z 4.7 13.3 (MT Online)

Even when not broken in, the 370z will run 13.7, this is quicker than any of the times listed above.

The early 350z lost but the later HR 350z can beat a TT 300zx if it's stock. Now if the TT has any mods at all, it would be over for the 350z, or 370z.

You can believe what you like but fact are facts. The 300zxTT is good for 13.9 in the 1/4 wile the 03-06 350z is good for the same. Yes in both cases there are people who have seen or heard of slightly faster but on average 13.9 seems to be what both cars run. That means it comes down to the driver. The HR Z has more than a slight edge. Most HR's are running 13.5-13.7 with skilled drivers going as low as 13.1. The 370z is no contest considering most times posted for it are sub 13.5.

Trust me, I love the 300zxTT. I used to be obsessed with it back in the day. I've been around Z's long enough to remember when people would debate if a Z31 turbo was faster than a Z32 N/A. Then as the years went on the debate progressed to the Z32TT vs. the 350z. This happens everytime there is a new model. The 300zxTT is a great car but in todays world it comes up short. I single video doesn't prove anything, look at the overall data.

I have to admit I have not driven a 350hr, and it has been a long, long time since my TT was driven in stock condition. All my opinions are based on a high tech butt-dynamics dyno and are subject to wow factors. Like when I am on the interstate and punch the TT at about 60 and wow 130 already. My 350 is an 03 with bolton mods and will drive circles around my TT( I think it weighs like 6 or 7 tons ). My 370 seems to be getting close to perfect all around, handles great, decent power off the line, and great power up top. Anyway, they all whip my S30, but all are great cars and would not trade off any of them!!!!!

I too have been around Zs long enough and remember seeing your posts on zcar.com years ago. Having plenty of experience with all of the above cars I can tell you the single most important bit of data you can look at is trap speeds when comparing acceleration between two vehicles. An 03-06 350Z simply dosnt have the power:weight to match a 300ZX TTs trap speeds stock vs stock, an HR is about dead even on trap speeds (103-105MPH), and the 370Zs are recording the highest average trap speeds (104-107MPH).

it's the launching that kills 300zx's times. anti squat suspension hurts it.
along with the lame rubber diff and subframe mounts.

switch to a stiff material and the Z32TT gets much better launches. not to mention the Z32TT weighs alot more then any 350z or 370z coupe.

if only nissan gave the 300zx tt, T28 turbos, 555cc injectors and a bigger wheel and brake package it would be so much better. the supra came with all those three. and look how much power the damn thing makes. 3" turbo back exhaust, 18lbs of boost and bam 500hp.


dont get me wrong, the 370z and 350z are easier to live with as far as creature comforts go. but then again they can't haul as much stuff as a 300zx lol.

in my eyes the 370z is only missing one thing. turbos. then it would have been a perfect succesor to the 300zxtt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpjEWTkrM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqR5KU_Z7aM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkQgx4fQ3E

Thanks for Vids Vipor! :tup:

300ZX TT vs 370Z
 

One point I think worth making is that when the 300ZX TT came out, it was outperforming the Corvette and most other cars on the market.
The 350Z and 370Z are both crushed performance wise by the Corvette.
Relative to the other cars on the market at its time, I think the 300ZX TT was a superior car than either the 350Z or 370Z is relative to today's performance cars.

what else would i be doing with down time at work :bowrofl:

Very good points but the 300zx TT cost ~$30k back in 1990. Nissan had more money to put into the development of the 300zx TT, IMO.

I agree with you. I was thinking to myself how is it that 20 years after the 300ZX TT came out the 370Z makes only 32 HP more than 300ZX TT and actually less torque. Nissan likely had less resources available in developing the 350 and 370 relative to the 300ZX TT.

The 300ZX TT was in a class by itself in 1990. It completely blew away the 1984-1989 300ZX, in addition to any car near its price.
While the 370Z is an excellent car, it does not dominate the competion the way the 300ZX TT did at its time.

In my mind the GTR is the modern day 300ZX TT, although obviously at a much higher cost.

back in the day the 300zx had a .93g skid pad, 13.7 1/4 mile at 106mph and 5.0-5.5 0-60, 67mph slalom speed, 60-0 in 116 feet.
it's also 3500 lbs. 200lbs heavier than the 370z.

on 225/50/16 front tires and 245/45/16 rear's. and with relatively soft suspension.

and these cars come very restricted from the factory.

i believe if a stock twin turbo 300zx was upgraded to today's standards it would blow away the 370z.

14 inch rotors.
fat tires.
stiff suspension.
1999 aero.
ball bearing turbos.
updated interior.

One thing to remember is that Top Gears supposed "stock" cars are almost never stock. I've seen videos where there were indeed changes made to some of their older cars that they called stock.

Like in this one you can tell they're full of crap saying how certain cars are stock... I'm sorry but the S30's were simply not even close to as fast as the z32 TT or the z33s.




This was only true for 1990 and 1991. In 1992, the Corvettes came out with the LT1 motors that turned the tables in just the base cars. And through out the years of LT1, they kept getting faster with power at 300HP and 340Lbs Tq. and a cost cost $31K. They were extremely competitive with the Z32 TTs and ran a 13.7 1/4 mile. They also had the ZR1 models that were making between 385 and 405HP from 89 to 95 which ran a 13.1 1/4 mile and the LT4 models in 96 that made 330HP and ran the 1/4 in 13.4 sec.

Yes, though, the Z32 TT did beat the 90 and 91 Corvettes that were VERY slow. They were getting beat by 5.0 Mustangs. The 90-91 Vettes had L89 motors which were 235HP and not very responsive motors to boot.

Exactly and in today's $$ the 300ZX is about $45K for the base TT compared to $30K for the base 370Z. Its simply a matter of making a car for the market - the 300ZX was an outstanding AND expensive sports car - 50% more in todays $$ than the 370Z.

If the market was booming you might see a 370ZTT but its not so its unlikely you'll see a 450HP TT factory car (the 280ZXT was a 24% increase in power from N/A, 300ZXT Z31 was a 25% increase and the Z32 was a 34% increase - 34% on the VQ370HR would be 448 HP ;) ) Look how few 370Zs have sold even being rated as one of the best sports car values on the market. Can you imagine how few of the TT's would sell in this market?

I'd love to compare the two cars but they are from different circumstances. The Z32 is an awesome car though.... one day if I can find one that isn't riced out, rotten or ragged on.....

I've had the pleasure of driving a lightly modified 300zx TT a while back but that was the first "fast" car that I had ever driven (i.e. 300+hp). It was a blast to drive, loved it and wish my brother never sold it. Soon after I had the itch and bought my 350z, which felt a bit slower because of the linear power delivery. And of course now I have my 370z. :)

I really wish I could drive all 3 cars back to back. The last 3 generations were all awesome cars, but IMO, my 370z would edge out the 300zx TT.

I remember seeing the 300zxTT when I was teenager as my glorious super car impossible to have. Now, with 26, I have a 07 350z and I still see the 300zxTT like a beast. That car was to much for the price, it had everything you can ask for on that time period and sometimes I believe that 300zxTT engine its kind of stronger than the VQ35.

:iagree:

Well said.

Its been a long time since my 300ZXTT was stock, but I think the 370Z would definitely take it stock. Not so much once even a few mods are done. I doubt my 05 350Z would have beaten a stock 300ZXTT though.

The biggest thing to me about the 300ZXTT is it has a different feel from all the other Z cars I have owned (82 280ZX, 86 300ZX, 05 350Z & 09 370Z) in all of those cars you knew you were driving a Z just from the familiar look/feel of them all. the three guages on the center dash being a small example of that. the engine noise, the shifters, etc. The 300ZXTT is unique in its driving experience among Z's IMO.

I have had my 300ZXTT for about 13 years now, and its still my favorite Z. Its a blast to drive, fast as hell and just wants to go. The 370Z is a close second to me, better than all the others I have owned. The quality of the build of the 300ZXTT is a big plus for a car you may want to hang onto indefinitely. Every little thing still works in a 1991 car.

it is a great, unique Z in the lineup of great Z cars.

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the rear steer assembly still works? i thought that feature was a bit overkill.

Yes, the HICAS worked just fine, on the 91 its still a hydraulic system. I actually just took it out when I put new energy suspension subframe/diff bushings in the car this past August. I took the whole system out - solenoid, lines, rear rack. I did not want to take a chance on that system malfunctioning down the road and the rear wheels doing something odd, plus I never thought it added much to the driving experience. But it was working fine when I removed it.

I also thought that was a bit overkill, and the car is a little over-engineered in a few places. Like all the coolant lines under the plenum, etc.

I have taken alot of emissions stuff off over the years too. Have never had much break on the car though except a starter, a TPS sensor and a high pressure power steering hose I changed because it was leaking. thats in 13 years of ownership.

One thing that has deteriorated over time is the EFI harness, alot of the connectors are brittle, when you change the plugs or something like that the connectors tend to break. So I bought a new one and have to pull the engine to replace it. Since I am doing that I have bought a room full of stuff that I am about to put on it this spring. New ball bearing GT600R turbos (new downpipes), mike smith manifolds, 300degree fuel rails, 740cc injectors, dual intakes, dual MAF translator and a new ECU chip. Its all sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be put on. Currently the car only has intake, Borla exhaust, jim wolf ECU, greddy intercoolers and Specialty Z down/test pipes so all this stuff should be a big boost in performance, and alot of work, but football season is almost over (GEAUX SAINTS!) so I will get started soon. Immediately after that it will need a brake upgrade.

The car has 91,000 miles on it and is in great shape inside and out, but will need paint soon due to some dings and chips. I am the 2nd owner, bought it from a doctor in New Orleans.

370z would easily beat a stock Z32 TT. My 07 350Z with the HR did with a few members in the club just couldn't keep up with it and on the track.

But once the mods go, the TT will spank any Z's butt. :P

While you have the engine out, I would seriously recommend doing all the seals on it. My friend also did this and regretted it later when the seals started having issues. So we had to pull his engine again. You are at the mileage it is going to start showing signs of leakage.

good advice and definitely in the plans. last thing I want to do is pull the engine twice.

In 1990 it did, by 1996 it was near $50,000. My brothers old 1995 300ZX was $43,000, and it was a non turbo. Twin turbos were closer to $46,000 back then. The Z32 was more on par with todays R35 GT-R when it came out.
No, its not that they had more money to put into R&D. Back then Nissan decided they wanted to bring the Z car up to bargain supercar levels, the Z had continually gotten more expensive/nicer/powerful/faster with each generation from the 240Z-300ZX. By the mid 1990s sports car sales were down, SUV sales were up, the yen to dollar ratio was hurting the Japanese, and it seemed the world wasnt ready for Japanese supercars so the 300ZX/Supra/RX-7/3000GT VR4 all slowly died off.

The 350Z/370Z are supposed to be more of a reincarnation of the original 240Z. Affordable, fun, reliable, sports cars. Its doubtful we will see the Z car rise to near supercar levels again like we did in the early 1990s, especially since Nissan has brought the GTR up to that spot.

But the 370z and HR 350Z out performs the 300ZX TT in all categories for 1/3 of the cost the Z32 TT was in 1996.

It's faster, it handles way better, lighter, more reliable and affordable! :) Of course this is speaking stock vs stock in the power department only.

Its silly to compare a boosted car to a N/A - they are completely different beasts. Drop the compression on the VQ37HR, twin turbo it with a tuned ECU then compare it to a 300ZX - we both know there will be no comparison - the 370Z will outperform it in pretty much every area. Technology is tough to compete with. The Z32 was years ahead of itself - it looks every part a modern car 20 years later but regardless there has been a lot of technology between then and now with the Z.

That being said I still desperately want a Z32 ;)

Good luck with your upgrades! I've been tempted a couple times to test drive a 370Z...but I've had my Z32 since 96 and no room for another car. I'm jealous you have the garage space to have your cake and eat it too.

the HR Z and TTz are equal in terms of acceleration. in a drag race 300zx's were always bad performers because of the suspension designed against it. they were designed for road course.

and yes weight was also a problem that plagued the Z32.

i wouldn't say the HR handles way better. stock 300's were pulling .93 G back in the day. on 225/50/16 front and 245/45/16 tires with soft suspension. with 20 year old tires mind you!

125ft stopping distance is nothing to scoff at either 20 years ago.

Z33's have had their fair share of issues as well.
20 year old turbo cars have held up quite well.

affordable yes, the z33 and z34 are much more affordable without question if we compared new prices.

put 5k on general performance on the Z32, Z33, Z34 and I believe the Z32 will outperform the other two if not match them.

Z33 interior is crappy.
Z32 is middle of the road.
Z34 has the best interior by far.


as far as comparing a turbo Z32 to a turbo Z33 or turbo Z34?
well the other cars do have a better heads i believe and more displacement so it's easier to make more power. if one were to max out the stock turbos they would produce around 600bhp. the current record on race gas is 470whp and 520ft-lbs at 21psi on the stock T22/Tb02 hybrid turbos. and that car had stock cams, throttle bodies, mani's, intercooler piping.

however Z32's come with forged internals from the factory with no need to touch them until about 700bhp, and yes i have seen stock internal Z's running around with this power.


give a Z32 a set of eibach's and kyb's, some hawk pads, good brake fluid, a nice set of rotors, and a catback about $1300 worth of parts and it'll hang with a Z34.

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hello, i have 300zx tt manual trans stock car with an n/a rear end and removed the catlitic converters this means it is like 50hp nitrous shot and i EAT!! the 350HRs and the 370s :D:D back in kuwait streets i go on roll 60 km/h and i am always in front :):) do these changes on the z32tt 2seater and remember me :) you wont be disapointment