370z vs. 300zx twin turbo

vipor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkQgx4fQ3E

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Thanks for Vids Vipor!

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Mag350Z

One point I think worth making is that when the 300ZX TT came out, it was outperforming the Corvette and most other cars on the market.
The 350Z and 370Z are both crushed performance wise by the Corvette.
Relative to the other cars on the market at its time, I think the 300ZX TT was a superior car than either the 350Z or 370Z is relative to today's performance cars.

vipor

what else would i be doing with down time at work

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tranceformer

Very good points but the 300zx TT cost ~$30k back in 1990. Nissan had more money to put into the development of the 300zx TT, IMO.

Mag350Z

I agree with you. I was thinking to myself how is it that 20 years after the 300ZX TT came out the 370Z makes only 32 HP more than 300ZX TT and actually less torque. Nissan likely had less resources available in developing the 350 and 370 relative to the 300ZX TT.

The 300ZX TT was in a class by itself in 1990. It completely blew away the 1984-1989 300ZX, in addition to any car near its price.
While the 370Z is an excellent car, it does not dominate the competion the way the 300ZX TT did at its time.

In my mind the GTR is the modern day 300ZX TT, although obviously at a much higher cost.

Supergoji

back in the day the 300zx had a .93g skid pad, 13.7 1/4 mile at 106mph and 5.0-5.5 0-60, 67mph slalom speed, 60-0 in 116 feet.
it's also 3500 lbs. 200lbs heavier than the 370z.

on 225/50/16 front tires and 245/45/16 rear's. and with relatively soft suspension.

and these cars come very restricted from the factory.

i believe if a stock twin turbo 300zx was upgraded to today's standards it would blow away the 370z.

14 inch rotors.
fat tires.
stiff suspension.
1999 aero.
ball bearing turbos.
updated interior.

Crash

One thing to remember is that Top Gears supposed "stock" cars are almost never stock. I've seen videos where there were indeed changes made to some of their older cars that they called stock.

Like in this one you can tell they're full of crap saying how certain cars are stock... I'm sorry but the S30's were simply not even close to as fast as the z32 TT or the z33s.




This was only true for 1990 and 1991. In 1992, the Corvettes came out with the LT1 motors that turned the tables in just the base cars. And through out the years of LT1, they kept getting faster with power at 300HP and 340Lbs Tq. and a cost cost $31K. They were extremely competitive with the Z32 TTs and ran a 13.7 1/4 mile. They also had the ZR1 models that were making between 385 and 405HP from 89 to 95 which ran a 13.1 1/4 mile and the LT4 models in 96 that made 330HP and ran the 1/4 in 13.4 sec.

Yes, though, the Z32 TT did beat the 90 and 91 Corvettes that were VERY slow. They were getting beat by 5.0 Mustangs. The 90-91 Vettes had L89 motors which were 235HP and not very responsive motors to boot.

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FricFrac

Exactly and in today's $$ the 300ZX is about $45K for the base TT compared to $30K for the base 370Z. Its simply a matter of making a car for the market - the 300ZX was an outstanding AND expensive sports car - 50% more in todays $$ than the 370Z.

If the market was booming you might see a 370ZTT but its not so its unlikely you'll see a 450HP TT factory car (the 280ZXT was a 24% increase in power from N/A, 300ZXT Z31 was a 25% increase and the Z32 was a 34% increase - 34% on the VQ370HR would be 448 HP ) Look how few 370Zs have sold even being rated as one of the best sports car values on the market. Can you imagine how few of the TT's would sell in this market?

I'd love to compare the two cars but they are from different circumstances. The Z32 is an awesome car though.... one day if I can find one that isn't riced out, rotten or ragged on.....

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tranceformer

I've had the pleasure of driving a lightly modified 300zx TT a while back but that was the first "fast" car that I had ever driven (i.e. 300+hp). It was a blast to drive, loved it and wish my brother never sold it. Soon after I had the itch and bought my 350z, which felt a bit slower because of the linear power delivery. And of course now I have my 370z.

I really wish I could drive all 3 cars back to back. The last 3 generations were all awesome cars, but IMO, my 370z would edge out the 300zx TT.

o0javi0o

I remember seeing the 300zxTT when I was teenager as my glorious super car impossible to have. Now, with 26, I have a 07 350z and I still see the 300zxTT like a beast. That car was to much for the price, it had everything you can ask for on that time period and sometimes I believe that 300zxTT engine its kind of stronger than the VQ35.

FuszNissan

Well said.

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SiXK

Its been a long time since my 300ZXTT was stock, but I think the 370Z would definitely take it stock. Not so much once even a few mods are done. I doubt my 05 350Z would have beaten a stock 300ZXTT though.

The biggest thing to me about the 300ZXTT is it has a different feel from all the other Z cars I have owned (82 280ZX, 86 300ZX, 05 350Z & 09 370Z) in all of those cars you knew you were driving a Z just from the familiar look/feel of them all. the three guages on the center dash being a small example of that. the engine noise, the shifters, etc. The 300ZXTT is unique in its driving experience among Z's IMO.

I have had my 300ZXTT for about 13 years now, and its still my favorite Z. Its a blast to drive, fast as hell and just wants to go. The 370Z is a close second to me, better than all the others I have owned. The quality of the build of the 300ZXTT is a big plus for a car you may want to hang onto indefinitely. Every little thing still works in a 1991 car.

it is a great, unique Z in the lineup of great Z cars.

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tranceformer

the rear steer assembly still works? i thought that feature was a bit overkill.

SiXK

Yes, the HICAS worked just fine, on the 91 its still a hydraulic system. I actually just took it out when I put new energy suspension subframe/diff bushings in the car this past August. I took the whole system out - solenoid, lines, rear rack. I did not want to take a chance on that system malfunctioning down the road and the rear wheels doing something odd, plus I never thought it added much to the driving experience. But it was working fine when I removed it.

I also thought that was a bit overkill, and the car is a little over-engineered in a few places. Like all the coolant lines under the plenum, etc.

I have taken alot of emissions stuff off over the years too. Have never had much break on the car though except a starter, a TPS sensor and a high pressure power steering hose I changed because it was leaking. thats in 13 years of ownership.

One thing that has deteriorated over time is the EFI harness, alot of the connectors are brittle, when you change the plugs or something like that the connectors tend to break. So I bought a new one and have to pull the engine to replace it. Since I am doing that I have bought a room full of stuff that I am about to put on it this spring. New ball bearing GT600R turbos (new downpipes), mike smith manifolds, 300degree fuel rails, 740cc injectors, dual intakes, dual MAF translator and a new ECU chip. Its all sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be put on. Currently the car only has intake, Borla exhaust, jim wolf ECU, greddy intercoolers and Specialty Z down/test pipes so all this stuff should be a big boost in performance, and alot of work, but football season is almost over (GEAUX SAINTS!) so I will get started soon. Immediately after that it will need a brake upgrade.

The car has 91,000 miles on it and is in great shape inside and out, but will need paint soon due to some dings and chips. I am the 2nd owner, bought it from a doctor in New Orleans.

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