370z vs. 300zx twin turbo

bucketman

I have to admit I have not driven a 350hr, and it has been a long, long time since my TT was driven in stock condition. All my opinions are based on a high tech butt-dynamics dyno and are subject to wow factors. Like when I am on the interstate and punch the TT at about 60 and wow 130 already. My 350 is an 03 with bolton mods and will drive circles around my TT( I think it weighs like 6 or 7 tons ). My 370 seems to be getting close to perfect all around, handles great, decent power off the line, and great power up top. Anyway, they all whip my S30, but all are great cars and would not trade off any of them!!!!!

Supergoji

it's the launching that kills 300zx's times. anti squat suspension hurts it.
along with the lame rubber diff and subframe mounts.

switch to a stiff material and the Z32TT gets much better launches. not to mention the Z32TT weighs alot more then any 350z or 370z coupe.

if only nissan gave the 300zx tt, T28 turbos, 555cc injectors and a bigger wheel and brake package it would be so much better. the supra came with all those three. and look how much power the damn thing makes. 3" turbo back exhaust, 18lbs of boost and bam 500hp.


dont get me wrong, the 370z and 350z are easier to live with as far as creature comforts go. but then again they can't haul as much stuff as a 300zx lol.

in my eyes the 370z is only missing one thing. turbos. then it would have been a perfect succesor to the 300zxtt.

vipor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpjEWTkrM0

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vipor

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vipor

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Thanks for Vids Vipor!

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Mag350Z

One point I think worth making is that when the 300ZX TT came out, it was outperforming the Corvette and most other cars on the market.
The 350Z and 370Z are both crushed performance wise by the Corvette.
Relative to the other cars on the market at its time, I think the 300ZX TT was a superior car than either the 350Z or 370Z is relative to today's performance cars.

tranceformer

Very good points but the 300zx TT cost ~$30k back in 1990. Nissan had more money to put into the development of the 300zx TT, IMO.

Mag350Z

I agree with you. I was thinking to myself how is it that 20 years after the 300ZX TT came out the 370Z makes only 32 HP more than 300ZX TT and actually less torque. Nissan likely had less resources available in developing the 350 and 370 relative to the 300ZX TT.

The 300ZX TT was in a class by itself in 1990. It completely blew away the 1984-1989 300ZX, in addition to any car near its price.
While the 370Z is an excellent car, it does not dominate the competion the way the 300ZX TT did at its time.

In my mind the GTR is the modern day 300ZX TT, although obviously at a much higher cost.

FricFrac

Exactly and in today's $$ the 300ZX is about $45K for the base TT compared to $30K for the base 370Z. Its simply a matter of making a car for the market - the 300ZX was an outstanding AND expensive sports car - 50% more in todays $$ than the 370Z.

If the market was booming you might see a 370ZTT but its not so its unlikely you'll see a 450HP TT factory car (the 280ZXT was a 24% increase in power from N/A, 300ZXT Z31 was a 25% increase and the Z32 was a 34% increase - 34% on the VQ370HR would be 448 HP ) Look how few 370Zs have sold even being rated as one of the best sports car values on the market. Can you imagine how few of the TT's would sell in this market?

I'd love to compare the two cars but they are from different circumstances. The Z32 is an awesome car though.... one day if I can find one that isn't riced out, rotten or ragged on.....

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FuszNissan

Well said.

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Mercennarius

In 1990 it did, by 1996 it was near $50,000. My brothers old 1995 300ZX was $43,000, and it was a non turbo. Twin turbos were closer to $46,000 back then. The Z32 was more on par with todays R35 GT-R when it came out.
No, its not that they had more money to put into R&D. Back then Nissan decided they wanted to bring the Z car up to bargain supercar levels, the Z had continually gotten more expensive/nicer/powerful/faster with each generation from the 240Z-300ZX. By the mid 1990s sports car sales were down, SUV sales were up, the yen to dollar ratio was hurting the Japanese, and it seemed the world wasnt ready for Japanese supercars so the 300ZX/Supra/RX-7/3000GT VR4 all slowly died off.

The 350Z/370Z are supposed to be more of a reincarnation of the original 240Z. Affordable, fun, reliable, sports cars. Its doubtful we will see the Z car rise to near supercar levels again like we did in the early 1990s, especially since Nissan has brought the GTR up to that spot.

vipor

what else would i be doing with down time at work

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Supergoji

back in the day the 300zx had a .93g skid pad, 13.7 1/4 mile at 106mph and 5.0-5.5 0-60, 67mph slalom speed, 60-0 in 116 feet.
it's also 3500 lbs. 200lbs heavier than the 370z.

on 225/50/16 front tires and 245/45/16 rear's. and with relatively soft suspension.

and these cars come very restricted from the factory.

i believe if a stock twin turbo 300zx was upgraded to today's standards it would blow away the 370z.

14 inch rotors.
fat tires.
stiff suspension.
1999 aero.
ball bearing turbos.
updated interior.

Crash

One thing to remember is that Top Gears supposed "stock" cars are almost never stock. I've seen videos where there were indeed changes made to some of their older cars that they called stock.

Like in this one you can tell they're full of crap saying how certain cars are stock... I'm sorry but the S30's were simply not even close to as fast as the z32 TT or the z33s.




This was only true for 1990 and 1991. In 1992, the Corvettes came out with the LT1 motors that turned the tables in just the base cars. And through out the years of LT1, they kept getting faster with power at 300HP and 340Lbs Tq. and a cost cost $31K. They were extremely competitive with the Z32 TTs and ran a 13.7 1/4 mile. They also had the ZR1 models that were making between 385 and 405HP from 89 to 95 which ran a 13.1 1/4 mile and the LT4 models in 96 that made 330HP and ran the 1/4 in 13.4 sec.

Yes, though, the Z32 TT did beat the 90 and 91 Corvettes that were VERY slow. They were getting beat by 5.0 Mustangs. The 90-91 Vettes had L89 motors which were 235HP and not very responsive motors to boot.

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