Nissan execs diss FRS/BRZ

cossie1600 · 11-04-2013, 02:33 PM

They can corner faster , but they are not making up 100hp

I see more of them than miatas in the west coast

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-04-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

They'll get cheaper as time goes on. There were a lot of preorders at MSRP for the car. Now that the "gotta have it" crowd had bought theirs, dealers will be more willing to negotiate. Especially if a more powerful version hits showrooms. They'll fire-sale the 200hp ones.

You're probably right now that the Z dropped $3k. The subie/scion team will have to be flexible on price in order to compete with the current retro Z pricing.

binary0x01 · 11-04-2013, 03:23 PM

Just like the Z look better. It has that weighty feel to it, the GTR also has it as it is FAT too, for a RWD car I think the Z is it. Interesting what the next one will look like.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-04-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Unacceptable to you. Considering they're outselling Zs 3 to 1, many people disagree with you.

Just remember, those faux back seats drop insurance rates by 1/3. The biggest reason people will choose the twins will be an economics factor. Second will be an illogical reasoning of believing the Seats in the back will actually hold at least 2 kids. Sadly, not even kids will make it back there. 2saters will never outsell 4 seaters. So it's not a good way to judge greatness in a car.

Firebase99 · 11-04-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by binary0x01

Just like the Z look better. It has that weighty feel to it, the GTR also has it as it is FAT too, for a RWD car I think the Z is it. Interesting what the next one will look like.

Yea, Ive driven the 86 a few times, saw them at the track this weekend, they went well. I too prefer the feel of the Z, it is heavier, requires a different skill set to pilot the Z effectively. The Twins are much more forgiving. Not fast, but like everyone says, its fun.

chops · 11-04-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

First... if you pay MSRP for a car... your an idiot...

Second... 29k? might want to do some homework. (i swear the price keeps going up and up as this thread continues)
Scion FR-S | Prices And Information | Scion.com

agreed with the MSRP = idiot thing, but with scion, im not sure about subaru, they have no haggle pricing. no dealership will go lower than the next. the only way to get a deal is to fall into the, graduating student category for 500 off, or some other promo going on. which makes the FRS at 25-26K pretty pricey...

kenchan · 11-04-2013, 05:38 PM

i was not aware scion had no haggle pricing. they think they're carmax?

chops · 11-04-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

i was not aware scion had no haggle pricing. they think they're carmax?

yup. Scion Pure Price | No Hassle Car Purchase | Scion.com

the price you see, is the price you pay! i was looking into a tC back in the day, and with their no haggle pricing, its just ridiculous.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-04-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chops

agreed with the MSRP = idiot thing, but with scion, im not sure about subaru, they have no haggle pricing. no dealership will go lower than the next. the only way to get a deal is to fall into the, graduating student category for 500 off, or some other promo going on. which makes the FRS at 25-26K pretty pricey...

And what Stanger is not counting in the $29k is that without the few bullshyt options that scion has. The interior will look like total shyt. In order to make the car look presentable. You're paying $29k.

kenchan · 11-04-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chops

yup. Scion Pure Price | No Hassle Car Purchase | Scion.com

the price you see, is the price you pay! i was looking into a tC back in the day, and with their no haggle pricing, its just ridiculous.

yah, that's REALLY dumb. goes against the original FRS theme... cheap FR sportscoupe concept. if the dumbarse set a high price you cant negotiate it down.

that car is no way worth over $25K otd.

StangerGT · 11-04-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

They can corner faster , but they are not making up 100hp

I see more of them than miatas in the west coast

The more technical the track, the better they will do. More turns usually equals out the field better... if your thinking VIR then there will be problems.

But for most people doing HPDE's, its more building skill than anything. If you go into any racing series, your positioned within a class structure.

StangerGT · 11-04-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

And what Stanger is not counting in the $29k is that without the few bullshyt options that scion has. The interior will look like total shyt. In order to make the car look presentable. You're paying $29k.

If you want lux, you automatically steer away from almost any subi... the evo's a rather spartan as well.

StangerGT · 11-04-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chops

yup. Scion Pure Price | No Hassle Car Purchase | Scion.com

the price you see, is the price you pay! i was looking into a tC back in the day, and with their no haggle pricing, its just ridiculous.

then you buy a subi... and im sure if/when a dealer obtains a stockpile of those things, and the interest payments are creeping up, they will offer a lower no-haggle price...

cossie1600 · 11-04-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

The more technical the track, the better they will do. More turns usually equals out the field better... if your thinking VIR then there will be problems.

But for most people doing HPDE's, its more building skill than anything. If you go into any racing series, your positioned within a class structure.

You can minimize the gap, but you still need power to come off the corner

StangerGT · 11-04-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

You can minimize the gap, but you still need power to come off the corner

not if you can carry your speed through the turn...

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