Argh! Careful mods about shutting down threads based on hypotheticals
 

I applaud the no street racing discussions and closing of threads that discuss blatantly illegal activities, but I'd encourage the mods to be careful about overdoing it. An interesting technical thread was shutdown because it of a hypothetical situation where somebody said x would beat y in a race. Mind you, there was not expressed intent about engaging in said activity, it was solely a performance question.

I know that the primary intent is to avoid an environment where illegal street racing is openly discussed or publicly condoned. Again, I applaud this, but I hope we can avoid sloppiness in applying the rule. We don't want to be reactionary. Also, if we were to be consistent and apply the standard to illegal activity across the board, we'd have to shut down a lot more useful and interesting threads.

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This should go well.

Not that I don't agree to a certain extent, but I have a feeling this may not work out as planned.

you mean that thread with that car with this and another car that has that and this doesn't?

very techinical indeed.

I should have addressed this in a different context; it wasn't about a single thread (n is > 1).

Also worth saying that I like the forum, I like the participants, and I appreciate the tough and largely thankless job the mods have. Mine is an obeservation and suggestion that can be contemplated or summarily dismissed. Just wanted to chime in.

I get what you're saying. The problem isn't the mods. It's the users. We're all retarded. Give us a popsicle and we'll run with it. Even if the X vs Y thread doesn't start out as a racing thread, it'll end there. They're just cutting us off before we can get started.

I think that is a reasonable response. Thanks for a thoughtful reply.

:iagree: especially that Andrew guy ; )

I agree with Chuck as well.
And if member want to get really smart about it, just SAY its on a closed course, or something to that effect. I think the "rolling start at 40" part implies street racing (which it probably IS,) but just put "if we were on a closed track" or something to that effect.

And/or put something along the lines of "please don't post street racing stories, just hypothetical info will do fine, or info from track data"
Self moderate

Of course, at some point someone will abuse the, "just a hypothetical..." defense and that idea will be gone. :)

I don't know what the deal is? Just don't talk about street racing. Ever. Why is that difficult?

I never saw the thread(s) in question.

Hypotheticals must be allowed as part of the conversation here or anywhere.

Undoubtedly somebody will see the last answer and goes off with ex. "Last night the same thing happened to me where I smoked a .......... on the street." Then it all goes downhill and the thread closes.

I prefer the mods to scrub the thread if possible first, but I do not want their job. If someone thinks they can do a better job then step up to the plate and become a moderator. I never will, as I can not do a better job.

There are thousands of places on the web to discuss illegal street racing without repercussions. Why not go there? Versus threads only lead to fighting and I don't think this is what the forum is about. When you start posting hypotheticals, they're just as bad as telling real stories. Why bother. There are thousands of other topics to talk about..... and legal venues and motorsports discussions are encouraged.

I think that is actually manageable and both context and the "reasonable person" standard would make it not too difficult to call out. We can make adult decisions about when someone is hiding behind a cleaver lay crafted "hypothetical."

I think there is a difference between discussing illegal behavior as the primary theme of a thread, discussing technical matters or other issues that might be in the context of some questionable (or outright illegal) behavior, and discussing performance in an unfortunate context of illegal behavior. It also begs the question of where the limits are; e.g, my car shutters at 80 mph on the highway.

Having said this, I will again recognize the previous reasonable position that the mods made that they (through their ample experience) shut things down when they see the likely explicit discussion of illegal behavior coming even when it was only intimated in the actual thread. I haven't blogged in their shoes so to speak.

Streets closed pizza boy!


Someone will always bring up illegal activities, because kids are proud of it for some dumb reason. Even if the intent wasn't geared towards those activities, like chuck said, it's going to get there.

This totally misses the point. I don't think illegal racing should be discussed here.

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it only takes a split second for a dumb kid to make a hypothetical to reality and selfishly kill someone on the street. such context dont belong here.

and it sounds stupid to begin with. thus the mocking posts from me. :shakes head:

Again, easily dealt with. Moreover, the issue of the theme of the thread versus a little bit of context matters and would be an easy and helpful measure.

you sound like a fortune cookie that dont make sense. :icon17:

"you will be the one asked by many in some time."

:confused: wtf?

"Be the intelligence of significance for the time of the being"


:wtf2:

btw, here's your lucky number...

24 53 22 55 35 12 14

I guess I think the notion of someone killing themselves because the mods used a little more discretion before closing a thread is either hyperbole or a red herring. I think folks are taking the presence of "hypothetical" to an illogical, unnecessary, and not intended extreme. I don't argue with the explanation that was ultimately given (again I point out),but some of the other discussion has been off target to incompletely reasoned.

1) Discussing street racing is against the rules. Doesn't matter whether or not I (or anybody else) like it, that's The Rules as set by the owner. If one doesn't like it, one is free to use a site that allows such things or start one's own site.

2) As far as I can tell, the mods are volunteers and probably don't have the time to carefully parse every statement in every post. If it looks like a duck, they shoot it. I've admin'd and mod'd on several sites - it's not a fun job and can demand a lot of one's time.

3) Personally, I think a few threads have been needlessly/prematurely locked, but then I refer myself to item #1. I suppose if I felt strongly enough about a particular thread getting locked, I'd send a polite PM about it to a mod.

I don't think street racing should be discussed here. That was never my point.

I expressed my appreciation for the mods and the very reasonably reply provided.

PMs are fine, except where one is inviting a thoughtful discussion, which is why it was inappropriate for me to send a PM.

I can see where this thread is going. There is only one way SouthArk370Z and H2O_Doc can settle this: a street race.

I didn't word that very well. :( I should have made #1 a general statement and not about street racing in particular.

It was meant for general consumption and not directed at you. The subject is certainly worthy of discussion and you make some good points. :tup:

:driving:

I'm just gonna go ahead and call it. IBTL!!!

Yes, but on foot to keep it legal and the thread open.

I'm guessing that my friend, being from Arkansas, goes at least 320lbs (all that white gravy). Bring it Razorback.

ROFLMAO 5'7", 135-140 lbs, zipper on my chest. Hand-to-hand is not my forte.

But I am a big fan of the 2nd Amendment. heehee

i think they should settle like a real racer. spec race.

he haz xxxHP / xxx TQ
he haz xxx HP / xxx TQ

he haz 100yrs combined driving experience (includes mom and dad)
but he haz 15000yrs combined driving experience (includes all ancesters)

and just add the rest of the equation:

temperature + humidity +wind direction +psi +wat he ate
(doesn't matter if it make sense or not, just add it all together).

:ugh:

One last point for clarification, unnatural acts with farm animals can be discussed (assuming said acts are not conducted while in a truck being race do the street)?

Exactly. Then we'll know who the real winner is. So let's do this!

Provide your car spec, guys!

i just sneezed and **** my pants a little.... thats all i have to add to this

Blah blah blah. (Yawn) read three posts and gave up.

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You left out two important specs:

1) speakers: with these twin babies pointed backward with a little George Clinton playing, I cut 3/10ths of a second off my quarter my time.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/y8a3etys.jpg

2) stickers: this one adds 122.07 hp to my Z:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/tygynu6a.jpg

I'm a scientist. Please don't argue with me.

Back in the day
 

Street racing has been a felony for quite sometime.
What you post these days is like signing a notary and can be used in court. Posting about street racing in forums can have serious legal repercussions for everyone.

This is probably futile at this point, but back on topic:
Yes. I think mods lock some threads when they shouldn't or lock them prematurely. But locks I don't agree with (or can't suss out their logic) don't happen very often. And when it does happen, it's usually threads like this and who cares if those get locked (or even deleted)? I see no harm in the thread regressing but, if the mods are checking all posts, it's just more trash for them to wade through.

As far as "hypotheticals" go, that's just disingenuous. If the mods want to play the game and look the other way, then go for it, but don't be surprised when your hypothetical turns out to be too thinly veiled to ignore and gets locked/deleted.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming ...

Front end, back end or both?

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I am a doctor. Regular anal inspection is important, as this thread proves.