Z Broke Down :(

Zeto · 08-12-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

I imagine all this oil getting burned will end up clogging the cats - especially the OEM cats =/

I can't believe that Nissan (or Infiniti) would consider this normal. Just think of it from the emissions point of view...

I have the solution for that...Just get test pipes

zZSportZz · 08-12-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Yep, I agree. Mind you, it's kinda sad that some folks never think to check their oil levels, isn't it? I guess maybe what I consider to be common sense isn't so 'common' after all. On the other hand, when I think of all the questions that get posted on this forum that people can answer for themselves if they'd just crack open their owner's manuals, I'm not so shocked anymore.

So...how to I turn off VDC off?

HEEHEE

Modshack · 08-12-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

But let's take a deep breath and not work ourselves up into a tizzy over this.

That does not appear to be possible on this Forum. Yet another "sky is falling" thread just opened on this...

kannibul · 08-12-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

That does not appear to be possible on this Forum. Yet another "sky is falling" thread just opened on this...

It's not a sky is falling - it's a thread for the data to be consolidated to see how widespread the issue is.

2 quarts of oil in 3000 miles? You don't think that's an issue?

FuszNissan · 08-12-2009, 09:39 AM

Red, that is normal. DON"T think the sky is falling. This is a 1 out of 100,000 build issue.

I don't have an oil cooler. And I wish we could tear down the engine and find out what happened, but nissan won't have it. They are just going to send me a whole new long block and all internals and swap it out. I am going to go with bad seals. But we will never know. Nissan will take it back and have their techs tear it down, but they will never tell you the outcome. It will remain a mystery

kannibul · 08-12-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

That does not appear to be possible on this Forum. Yet another "sky is falling" thread just opened on this...

Case and point...

Burning Oil?

This was posted on our own forum in March. Now two people have blown engines, and several owners are reporting that they have oil consumption issues.

FuszNissan · 08-12-2009, 09:43 AM

Let's take a step back.. What would you lable an "Oil Consumption Issue"

Modshack · 08-12-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Let's take a step back.. What would you lable an "Oil Consumption Issue"

Exactly.....As I said in yet another thread on this, Very few manufacturers will give you the time of day if you're not burning more than a quart/1000 miles. Chevy (for the Corvette) even has a published bulletin that says 1 qt per 500 miles is acceptable if used in an aggressive manner (aggressive being defined as operation above 3000RPM's...LOL). A quart between changes, or even 2 in a 3700 mile change interval would not be considered excessive enough to warrant correction with most all companies...
When you get into the serious usage area (exceeding a Qt/thousand) they will do a monitored test by documenting miles and sealing your oil fill to determine true usage.

Very few cars on this forum are even fully broken in yet, so this discussion is all a bit of an overreaction..

Maybe Lou could let us in on Nissan's guidelines on oil usage if they have any..

Mike · 08-12-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Chevy (for the Corvette) even has a published bulletin that says 1 qt per 500 miles is acceptable if used in an aggressive manner (aggressive being defined as operation above 3000RPM's...LOL).

Not only that, they even tell you to put an extra quart in before a track day, as you will burn it.

That being said, the engine on my 03 350Z was replaced under warranty for oil consumption at around 25000 miles. It had 35% leakdown in one cylinder, 55 in another and the rest were all around 10.

FuszNissan · 08-12-2009, 10:27 AM

I burned 1/2 qt in an half an hour in idle. That is an "Oil Comnsuption Issue" If you burn 1-2 quarts in 3000 miles, don't worry about it. I think the lesson to be had in this thread is CHECK YOUR OIL levles often. This was a quality issue on a part, and I am guessing seals, but we will never know. Burning 1 quart don't worry! Just make sure you are aware of what is going on in your car!

semtex · 08-12-2009, 10:31 AM

You mean the sky isn't falling? I can take my tin foil hat off? Whew!

kannibul · 08-12-2009, 10:34 AM

Sorry, this is the first I've heard of a car that burns this much oil is considered "normal".

My truck with 140,000 miles on it, doesn't burn this much oil.

My honda civic with 70,000 miles on it, doesn't burn oil (and it revs all the way up to 6500 RPM before redline)

If it turns out it does burn this much oil, then why bother with changing it - just swap filters and top it off all the time =/

m4a1mustang · 08-12-2009, 10:47 AM

Well it really isn't very difficult to keep under control. Just check your oil regularly and top off as needed. Eventually you'll know what is normal for your specific car and it will become second nature.

I burned maybe 3/8ths of a quart in almost 1500 miles. At this rate I might burn a full quart in 4500 miles... not that big of a deal. I just need to make sure I keep a supply of Redline on hand.

I do think it's important that this issue is raised, though. There are going to be a lot of new owners coming from cars that don't really burn any oil... they aren't going to know that they need to be checking levels regularly and could use a little nudge in the right direction.

wstar · 08-12-2009, 11:14 AM

Another thing to keep in mind on this, a lot of people seem to be checking in and saying "I just checked my oil for the first time at 2K (or whatever low number) miles and it's low". That doesn't necessarily mean anything about oil consumption if this is the first time you've looked at your dipstick on the factory fill. For all you know, it was filled slightly low at the factory. To measure consumption, you need to have a baseline from you checking the dipstick yourself at an earlier mileage, and you need to check the dipstick under roughly identical conditions both times in terms of how hot or cold the engine is when you shut it off, and how long you wait to check. Personally I like to get the engine fully warmed up (180+ oil temps, preferably 200), then shut it down and wait about 10 full minutes to check the level.

mattjk · 08-12-2009, 11:20 AM

I check my oil everytime I fill up gas. You guys should make it a habbit.

08-12-2009, 09:39 AM	#170 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Red, that is normal. DON"T think the sky is falling. This is a 1 out of 100,000 build issue. I don't have an oil cooler. And I wish we could tear down the engine and find out what happened, but nissan won't have it. They are just going to send me a whole new long block and all internals and swap it out. I am going to go with bad seals. But we will never know. Nissan will take it back and have their techs tear it down, but they will never tell you the outcome. It will remain a mystery __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-12-2009, 09:43 AM	#172 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Let's take a step back.. What would you lable an "Oil Consumption Issue" __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-12-2009, 10:27 AM	#175 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	I burned 1/2 qt in an half an hour in idle. That is an "Oil Comnsuption Issue" If you burn 1-2 quarts in 3000 miles, don't worry about it. I think the lesson to be had in this thread is CHECK YOUR OIL levles often. This was a quality issue on a part, and I am guessing seals, but we will never know. Burning 1 quart don't worry! Just make sure you are aware of what is going on in your car! __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

08-12-2009, 10:31 AM	#176 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	You mean the sky isn't falling? I can take my tin foil hat off? Whew! __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

08-12-2009, 10:47 AM	#178 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Well it really isn't very difficult to keep under control. Just check your oil regularly and top off as needed. Eventually you'll know what is normal for your specific car and it will become second nature. I burned maybe 3/8ths of a quart in almost 1500 miles. At this rate I might burn a full quart in 4500 miles... not that big of a deal. I just need to make sure I keep a supply of Redline on hand. I do think it's important that this issue is raised, though. There are going to be a lot of new owners coming from cars that don't really burn any oil... they aren't going to know that they need to be checking levels regularly and could use a little nudge in the right direction. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-12-2009, 10:34 AM	#177 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	Sorry, this is the first I've heard of a car that burns this much oil is considered "normal". My truck with 140,000 miles on it, doesn't burn this much oil. My honda civic with 70,000 miles on it, doesn't burn oil (and it revs all the way up to 6500 RPM before redline) If it turns out it does burn this much oil, then why bother with changing it - just swap filters and top it off all the time =/

08-12-2009, 11:14 AM	#179 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Another thing to keep in mind on this, a lot of people seem to be checking in and saying "I just checked my oil for the first time at 2K (or whatever low number) miles and it's low". That doesn't necessarily mean anything about oil consumption if this is the first time you've looked at your dipstick on the factory fill. For all you know, it was filled slightly low at the factory. To measure consumption, you need to have a baseline from you checking the dipstick yourself at an earlier mileage, and you need to check the dipstick under roughly identical conditions both times in terms of how hot or cold the engine is when you shut it off, and how long you wait to check. Personally I like to get the engine fully warmed up (180+ oil temps, preferably 200), then shut it down and wait about 10 full minutes to check the level. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-12-2009, 11:20 AM	#180 (permalink)
mattjk Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Azusa Posts: 331 Drives: 09 370z K51 09 Elise Rep Power: 267	I check my oil everytime I fill up gas. You guys should make it a habbit.

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