Next Nissan Z Scooped

///PureSwank · 09-03-2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

You sound like me and got the car for looks, if you want a drag racing type car "from a dig you wrote" than you should of got a gt 5.0 mustang. or evo X for the awd you're raving about.

It's an entry level sports car guy , Nissan isn't gonna give it close to gtr dedication.

I have a C6 Z06 as well lol. I was just stating my opinion on nissan. It would be nice to have a 370z with a more potent oem block. You never KNOW!!

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brucelidat · 09-03-2013, 12:20 AM

Only way it would happen is if they dropped in the 240 as entry level and slotted the Z up higher in the 40k+ range. Even then, it wouldn't get AWD or anything close to GTR, but maybe a more potent engine and less NVH. That's not happening either though.

bghoward · 09-03-2013, 12:46 AM

An obvious choice that seems to be overlooked would be the VQ25 v6 with a turbo. In fact if I were Nissan I might even drop it down to 2.4L to capitalize on the original 240z name. They could easily make 350hp, keep it a v6 with lighter weight, less NVH and it would sell.

The other option that I think is likely is to go back to 3.5L without VVEL but add in DI, that would probably get the same power or more then the 3.7L with better gas mileage, cheaper price, lower weight, etc. Lose some weight and you have a winner.

Third option, given the rumors about platform sharing with Mercedes, perhaps the next Z will get the new 2.0 turbo 4 from the new AMG with 350hp/335tq. If the Z were to lose a couple hundred pounds of weight that would a beastly car.

brucelidat · 09-03-2013, 01:35 AM

Well, we'll see what they do. I hope we get some details sometime next year. If the new Z isn't very impressive, I might SC the 370.

Z_ealot · 09-03-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Well, we'll see what they do. I hope we get some details sometime next year. If the new Z isn't very impressive, I might SC the 370.

well if what we've been hearing turns out to be true all signs point to Nissan showing a concept this january in detroit

zguynate · 09-03-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

well if what we've been hearing turns out to be true all signs point to Nissan showing a concept this january in detroit

Hope so. I would much rather have a turbo 4 than a hybrid or electric. If its light enough I wouldnt mind a 4 cylinder. I would much rather prefer a 6 cylinder, although a 4 cylinder would be MUCH easier to work on more than likely over the vq37.

ZBro16 · 09-03-2013, 05:28 PM

I don't mind boost as long as it's on a 6. Nissan doesn't have a 4 cylinder that I'd like to see in a Z. The VQ25 could happen, however, in direct injected turbo form.

If Mazda can make a bulletproof DI-Turbo platform and sell it (MS3), then Nissan sure as hell can.

cheshirecat · 09-04-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

I don't mind boost as long as it's on a 6. Nissan doesn't have a 4 cylinder that I'd like to see in a Z. The VQ25 could happen, however, in direct injected turbo form.
If Mazda can make a bulletproof DI-Turbo platform and sell it (MS3), then Nissan sure as hell can.

Nissan doesn't, but Mercedes does. It's currently found in the A45 AMG. ~350hp and 35mpg from a 345lb engine? Yes please.

Geneva LIVE: Mercedes launches 360-horsepower A 45 AMG

Due to the cost of this engine compared to the VQ, I doubt Nissan will employ it, but the option does exist. Mercedes and Nissan confirmed that Merc 4 and 6 cyl engines will be brought over to Infiniti- who knows what they may mean for the Z car.

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 11:07 AM

The problem with DI is figuring out what to do when you reach the limit of the fuel pump. Those high pressure pumps cost a fortune.

Lug · 09-04-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The problem with DI is figuring out what to do when you reach the limit of the fuel pump. Those high pressure pumps cost a fortune.

On the MS3, you can swap the internals for about $350, or the whole thing in the $600's if memory serves.

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 01:01 PM

That's pretty reasonable. Still a hell of a lot more than my Walbro. What about injectors? DI is great (other than Audi's carbon deposit issue) other than the cost of upgrades.

Lug · 09-05-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

That's pretty reasonable. Still a hell of a lot more than my Walbro. What about injectors? DI is great (other than Audi's carbon deposit issue) other than the cost of upgrades.

Most people get around injector limits by doing a piggyback fueling system. Bigger injectors have been a major issue with the MS3, waiting to see if this is going to be the same with Ford's ecoboost engines. Their 2 liter ecoboost fueling system seems to be topping out at around 350 to 370 hp, stock.

MC · 09-11-2013, 09:40 PM

The Z35 concept will be at Tokyo Motor Show!!!

JungleZ · 09-11-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

The Z35 concept will be at Tokyo Motor Show!!!

Awesome when's the show

Edit: November .. Nice . I have the biggest feeling the car will look all futuristic though. Hard to best current looks but if its smaller lets not hope for a brz rice rocket.

Redglare · 09-11-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

The Z35 concept will be at Tokyo Motor Show!!!

November 22~!!! that's not too far away at all,

09-03-2013, 12:20 AM	#137 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Only way it would happen is if they dropped in the 240 as entry level and slotted the Z up higher in the 40k+ range. Even then, it wouldn't get AWD or anything close to GTR, but maybe a more potent engine and less NVH. That's not happening either though. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

09-03-2013, 12:46 AM	#138 (permalink)
bghoward Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Austin Posts: 4 Drives: 2012 370z 6MT+Sport Rep Power: 13	An obvious choice that seems to be overlooked would be the VQ25 v6 with a turbo. In fact if I were Nissan I might even drop it down to 2.4L to capitalize on the original 240z name. They could easily make 350hp, keep it a v6 with lighter weight, less NVH and it would sell. The other option that I think is likely is to go back to 3.5L without VVEL but add in DI, that would probably get the same power or more then the 3.7L with better gas mileage, cheaper price, lower weight, etc. Lose some weight and you have a winner. Third option, given the rumors about platform sharing with Mercedes, perhaps the next Z will get the new 2.0 turbo 4 from the new AMG with 350hp/335tq. If the Z were to lose a couple hundred pounds of weight that would a beastly car. ubs234 likes this.

09-03-2013, 01:35 AM	#139 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Well, we'll see what they do. I hope we get some details sometime next year. If the new Z isn't very impressive, I might SC the 370. ubs234 likes this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

09-04-2013, 11:07 AM	#144 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	The problem with DI is figuring out what to do when you reach the limit of the fuel pump. Those high pressure pumps cost a fortune. carlitos_370z likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-04-2013, 01:01 PM	#146 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	That's pretty reasonable. Still a hell of a lot more than my Walbro. What about injectors? DI is great (other than Audi's carbon deposit issue) other than the cost of upgrades. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-03-2013, 05:28 PM	#142 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 14	I don't mind boost as long as it's on a 6. Nissan doesn't have a 4 cylinder that I'd like to see in a Z. The VQ25 could happen, however, in direct injected turbo form. If Mazda can make a bulletproof DI-Turbo platform and sell it (MS3), then Nissan sure as hell can.

09-11-2013, 09:40 PM	#148 (permalink)
MC Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,238 Drives: 2015 GTR NISMO Rep Power: 24	The Z35 concept will be at Tokyo Motor Show!!! carlitos_370z likes this. __________________ 2015 GT-R N1SMO "THE ONE" Instagram MCGTRN1SMO Youtube MCGTRNISMO

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