interesting find indeed. im glad i bought my Z when i did. why would i want a 2" narrower Z? :ugh:

lol codenamed z35. that's not freaking coded.

author probably pulled stuff out of thin air.

I don't have a problem with a 2.5 turbo 4. The problem I have is that in order to make it powerful enough for the Z name it will come strung out from the factory leaving little to be done with basic bolt-on's. In order to get more power owners will have to change out the turbo and all components. The great thing about turbos is that basic mods will yield good results, but if the engine is already maxed out there won't be much to gain. A 330hp 2.5 won't leave a lot of room on the table. I'd honestly rather than go to something like a 3.0 V6 twin turbo like the old Z32. With todays technology a small V6 twin turbo will not only make good power but it will still get good gas mileage. No need to drop to a 4 cylinder. Not to mention I don't want to have to rev the hell out of the car every time I go up a hill or want to pass someone. Loved my old 06 WRX but it just didn't have that low rpm power. Torque is something the current Z is already missing, going to a turbo 4 won't help matters.

Everyone would rather see a smaller v6 turbo instead of a 4, but I doubt they would do it because it might feel like it's getting too close to the gt-r. I know it wouldn't be that close, but they want to keep the 2 cars very separate I think.

I used to see that point but every year the GTR just keeps getting faster and more powerful. At this point even at it's current weight if they dropped in a 400hp motor it still would be far slower than the GTR. Even at it's proposed 2900lbs if it had a V6TT with ~400hp it would still be far slower than the GTR. Even a modified V6TT with 500hp would still be slower than the GTR simply because the Z lacks AWD. The simple fact is the Z won't come close to the GTR for that argument to hold water anymore. When the GTR was 80k and only had 480hp I could understand but at the current level of the GTR it's so above and beyond the Z that Nissan could give the Z some extra grunt without worry.

Of course it would still be slower, but the not enthusiast car buying public might look at pure hp potential numbers and decide it is close enough to not spend triple the money on the GT-. Whether that is true or not, I don't know but Nissan would probably not want the Z to remotely be linked tot he GT-R in that regard. The most promising part of this article to me is the 400 lb weight reduction.

Maybe they should up the GT-R to a v8 and give us our turbo 6, haha. Godzilla is about due for as well.

Since Mercedes already shared engine with the Infinite...must will put the 360 bhp Mercedes A or CLA 45,2 litre engine to the next Z...

A 330 hp turbo 4 would be too strung out from the factory? Better tell those Evo guys running 400whp on the stock motor with a turbo swap. A turbo swap isn't a big deal. Certainly nothing to worry about assuming the motor is stout enough, you get the right supporting mods and a good tune.

There's no way to say that the motor is maxed out until some tuners get ahold of one and turn up the boost. It could be a beast of a motor that can take a lot of boost and punishment. It could be one of those that self destructs at factory power levels. We won't know until that first group of buyers blow theirs up.

I'm not sure what you did to your WRX, but my 04 STI had 380 ft/lbs of torque at 3400 rpm. It's not a Chevy 350, but that's still a lot of torque. Between that much torque under 4k rpm and the fact that is spooled up quick, you didn't really have to rev it much to pass someone.

I want the Z to remain a V6, but a turbo 4 would be fine too if the 2900 lb curb weight happened. Given how poorly the Z sells, I seriously doubt they're going to go too far from an engine that's shared across platforms. They're not going to reinvent the wheel for a car that's been selling <10k units annually. My guess is another revision of the VQ, maybe with DI, and a lighter chassis. To be honest, I'm kinda shocked we're getting a Z35 given how badly the Z34 has sold.

I'd rather have a modernized 2.4L Inline 6 than a 2.5L Inline 4. ;)

That would be great, but eveyone seems to be moving away from the I6. Isn't BMW the only one left with one?

I'd much rather buy an early one with the V6. Torque>turbo lag.

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Meh, bring the Silvia back with a turbo 4, turn the Z into a mini-GTR that sits like it does today but also can compete in the rallye space (WRX STI, Evo...).

Z sales will never cut into GTR sales. They look too different and if someone wants a GTR/speed/torque, they'll buy a GTR, regardless. Nissan's lines aren't anything like Porsche's blurred lines.

You can stack up peak torque much lower in the RPM range with a small turbo, just depends on how you set it up. A couple of smaller turbos are a great way to have your cake and eat it too but costs stack up.

see sequential setup....
Twin-turbo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I still hate the response of turbo motors, twin or not. I used to think "oh turbo = cool" until I started driving so many, now I can't stand it compared to NA.

Go take a test drive in a Focus ST (just ignore the toque steer). :D The torque come in so low, you are hard pressed to tell, just gobs of torque right off the bat (max torque at around 2500 RPM). You get that by using a smaller turbo but it pays for it by running out of air over 6K RPM. With the newer setups, especially twin scroll setups, you can almost eliminate the old legacy problems of earlier setups.

Sacrilege I know, but the answer may be to go hybrid drivetrain in conjunction with turbos. Electric motors generate gobs of torque. Only a matter of time before we see the tech in the McLaren P1, LaFerrari & 918 trickle down to us work'n folks.

To me, this sounds like the direction nissan was initially talking about in the Jay Leno interview... I will keep my 370z forever, but will eventually add the 2.5L turbo when it comes out. This is exciting news for me... Good work nissan. If this is true? :tup:

If the next Z is 2900 lbs and a 2.5 liter turbo 4 making 300+ hp, it's probably going to walk away from the Z34 in a straight line and in the twisties.

And I can't stand the 3.7 rough coarse super linear powerband, at least the turbo 4 banger will put you back in your seat a bit and get 20mpg guaranteed.

Here we go again. :rolleyes: How many times do we have to ban this fuckwit before he is permabanned?

AMEN!!! Preach on brother...:tiphat:

You can't guarantee 20mpg's. Many hyundai 2.0GT gencoupes get 18mpg's.
Manual Scion FR-S seeing 18mpg's??? How can you guarantee mpg's when the car isnt out yet?

Secondly, if you want to get thrown back in your seat. Shift above 5200rpm. Try 5700rpm. I have no problems throwing my seat back. it's just it takes driving skill to do so in the Z. You gotta harness the power. It's not just there.

Yea, I wouldn't want to see the I6 become a dying breed. The only issue I can think of with the I6 is the location of the power steering components versus the headers on the engine. I think that was the case with the prior GT-Rs. It's too expensive having to deal with RHD and LHD vehicles.

You should be able to get over 20 MPG. The Focus ST gets 23/32MPG @ 252 hp/270lbft. The trade off is that to get that 32 MPG, you have to drive it like your greatgrandma stole it. Once you get your foot in it a fair amount, it's down to 25 MPG. Now, to scale that up to mid 300's, you can probably keep it in the mid 20's at worst. I say the turbo DI engine lets you have an economy car or a sports car, but not both at the same time. :D

I called it in another thread - the Z is getting a hybrid option.

Nissan R-Hybrid Trademark Badge

You'll notice the R-Hybrid badge also includes Nissan's Pure Drive. This is Nissan's designation for whatever carries this meeting the future CAFE standard that has been forced on automakers selling in America.

You may argue that it isn't the case because of the badge font is just like the GT-R font, but this nameplate could work for its entire sports car lineup. These trademarks aren't typically grabbed so far in advance of a new model (the R36 isn't due until MY2016 or 2017), so I will bet that Nissan will slap this on the next Z in one trim.

As for a turbo four? The only opposition I have to it is if it's built on the QR motor. Older QRs are starting to show their age with things going wrong. The engineers I know at Nissan HATE those motors because of the headaches they have caused.

A Z going back to turbo is a fantastic idea. When you look at cars like the Mazdaspeed3, Subaru WRX, and Focus ST and backing for all of those by tuning companies like Cobb and Perrin and look at the bang for the buck modding money, you will get so many more people back in Z cars. The 370 is expensive as hell to mod correctly. All cars have their cheap exhausts, but look at exhausts that are higher end like FI and HKS and you're 2 grand deep in a catback that might make 10hp. Slap a Cobb Accessport on an MS3 and you're looking at 30hp for $500. You might argue that Mustangs are roughly the same cost to mod, etc, but we all know that V8s respond much more to breathing mods than V6s do, which enhances the bang-for-the-buck principle. The current Z is really not great dollar for hp, and Nissan would be foolish to ignore that in light of the target market it is pursuing.

If Nissan does it right, I'll dump my 370 for a newer one.

As for the inline 6 - the issue for engineers is the space an I6 takes. When you're designing a whole car to the safety standards of today and tailoring it for a performance model, an I6 is dated and there are too many cons to the pros. Center of gravity on the overall chassis of the vehicle is one of the things affected, especially when you're trying to make it pass the updated NHTSA testing. An I6 doesn't allow for as much versatility in that design compared to a V6. It also requires longer noses in the body of a car as opposed to a V6, and with more material to make that happen comes more weight. Weight distribution and balance is another thing affected, namely symmetry of weight from driver to passenger sides of the vehicle as well as fore and aft.

Say goodbye to the I6. The ones left making them are the ones emphasizing their R&D elsewhere.

Also - to further fuel the fire, Nissan Global's explanation of Pure Drive says that the badge designation means that the car includes one or more of the following technologies:

- DIG-S (3 cyl, 1.2L DI Gas engine with Supercharger)
- Clean Diesel
- XTRONIC CVT (for 1.2-1.8L vehicles)
- Hybrid system for FR vehicles (FUGA)
- Next Generation XTRONIC CVT (for 2.0-3.5L vehicles)
- Hybrid system for FF vehicles.

Well... I hope it's only one of those things that makes it into the Z or GT-R. If a CVT goes in I'm out.

PURE DRIVE? | NISSAN | TECHNOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES

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Yeah, I'm with most other posters -- not going to happen. They may be "accidentally on purpose" leaking different concept illustrations to gain a bit of feedback. No way most of us will upgrade for 50 less HP. In fact, if the next version doesn't get extremely close to 400hp or more, I'm staying put and will invest in a turbo/supercharger if I want a bit of added flavor.

As a side note, the front of this concept drawing looks like a boat. Just saying.

I too agree that the design language will be a bit different. Just look at the recent nissan concepts, you have the Friend-ME concept from Shanghai:

http://nissannews.com/photos/dba2/d3...x195-force.jpg

I sincerely think Car and Driver have the most reasonable guess on this one. Yes you may have lines that will match the old 240z, but for the most part engine will remain a V6 (w/DI)

See Car and Driver article from May'13 here.
http://media.caranddriver.com/images...s-original.jpg

BTW the original article I posted clearly mentions that this was an artist rendition from a japanes mag called Holiday Auto.

This is not a Nissan concept.

I actually like this one.

I like this one here. :D

the Q50 hybrid has a 7at.... I doubt the sports cars wil get CVT.

I'm down for a small displacement turbocharged 4-banger, especially if we see a massive weight reduction.

And I agree we should. But there are no guarantees. Especially if nissan pulls 330 to 350hp out of a turbo 4. I would hope they can accomplish it. I think they re going directions with fuel efficiency that i never thought nissan would achieve. But they've never impressed in the sports car,efficiency arena.

I tend not to focus on what Ford and other domestc brands are doing as much as what Nissan is doing vs what other japanese brands are doing. In some cases, i will also look at porsche (like with our Z's) But what ford does is not a good indicator of what nissan will do next when i compare both autos philosophy of design and performance.

But i see where you're going and share your viws from the general information your are giving.:tiphat:

looks like the new honda fit

http://www.honda.co.jp/Fit/new/images/003.jpg


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You need glasses.

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