New Z an improvement? What do you think?

andre12031948 · 08-11-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret_T

No, the 2014 370Z's are in production right now and available at some dealerships.

^^^^^ everyone knows that

What does that have to do with a possible huge discount by mid/end of 2014?

Today Aug. 2013 is $3,000 lowered + dealer profit. You think a year from now, especially if a new model comes out, the discount will not be bigger???

My last post on this subject.

Bret_T · 08-11-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

What I'm saying is they keep re-generating the same numbers and the only battle now is for fuel economy. They don't really care about hp anymore as long as they get close.

I agree with what you're saying, but I'll also add another point. Most performance car oriented drivers do not have the skills to match the higher performance cars that are out there anyway. Therefore, other than bragging rights, there's nothing in it for most drivers when they gain additional HP.

Bret_T · 08-11-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

What does that have to do with a possible huge discount by mid/end of 2014?

Today Aug. 2013 is $3,000 lowered + dealer profit. You think a year from now, especially if a new model comes out, the discount will not be bigger???

My last post on this subject.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Nissan is not discounting (as in offering dealer incentives or rebates) in order to move the 2013's. This is very odd considering that they lowered the price of the 2014's. The effect is that their dealers are hit with a pretty immediate loss on their inventory. Given that they'd hang dealers out like this, I'm doubting that they are going to care when the same thing happens a year from now. It's just my take. We'll see.

shadoquad · 08-11-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailzs

2009 the USA was knee deep in the recession and we're not out of it yet.

The Z wasn't the only model impacted, either. The Corvette and Miata, for example, both took hits.

In times of recession, the luxury of performance in a car isn't as attractive as one that is cheap to operate and dependable, drivable in snow and capable of seating four adults.

Holy · 08-11-2013, 09:29 PM

Considering the Q50 was released, the G37 had to have a price drop seeing as they going are to be continued for a couple more years until the new coupe is released.

This price drop of the G37 put it at an even level price-wise with the 370z. Maybe the 370z dropped in price because the G37 dropped its price initially. Not sure (no one is) if this is the reason why there's such a significant drop in price, but its another possibility.

theboydiddy · 08-12-2013, 07:53 AM

This thread explains exactly why I purchased my Z. I thought about most of this when I purchased it, being that I love the look of the 2012 and under. Without that ugly running day light on the front. I decided to get the 2012 instead of the 2013 which the dealer was trying to get me on. A lot people asked me 'so if you know it's gonna be out of production' or 'if there's chances to be out of production soon or smaller engine and slower why would you get it?'
I'm sure this car will be a classic like the 240s are now. I also believe all cars in the near future will be electric. And cars like what we have now will be scarce or non existing. Gentlemen we all have a piece of history in hand. And that's why I purchased my Z.
I pray it never get out of production honestly, but the way I see things going it looks like it will be... Soon !

(Sorry for being out of the subject a bit)

Mark1010 · 08-12-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bret_T

It's faster, handles better and is better balanced than the Hyundai Genesis that I was considering. Yes, the body style is looking dated, but the performance is certainly there. I think the biggest thing that the 370Z has going against it is the fact that it's a two seater. That culls out a majority of its potential market. Having a token back seat would go a long way towards opening up a larger market.

When I was doing my search for a weekend car I kept comparing everything to the 370 until it became mind shockingly apparent that the 370 was the car. The Genesis had decent numbers but when I looked at one next to the the 370 it was beyond bland. To hear anyone say the styling looks dated compared to anything else in the market is just odd.

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Originally Posted by Bret_T

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Nissan is not discounting (as in offering dealer incentives or rebates) in order to move the 2013's. This is very odd considering that they lowered the price of the 2014's.

I offered 40K for 13 T+S two months ago and was told to gtfo by the dealer. That same car now has a sticker of 35K. They have had the car since January...

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Originally Posted by theboydiddy

I'm sure this car will be a classic like the 240s are now. I also believe all cars in the near future will be electric.

I totally agree with one of those two statements, the other is pure craziness.

theboydiddy · 08-12-2013, 08:36 AM

[QUOTE=Mark1010;2442276] To hear anyone say the styling looks dated compared to anything else in the market is just odd.

- I strongly believe the Z has THE best sport car look under $50,000

Bret_T · 08-12-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by theboydiddy

I'm sure this car will be a classic like the 240s are now.

I bought my new '93 240SX (with 4-wheel steering) in January of 1994. It was on the lot with three others that were identical except for the color. There was absolutely no interest in the car. I got it for $15,000. The sales manager was actually mad about selling it at that price, but I guess he decided to because of the lack of interest. The other two 240SX's sat for a few more months before they sold. I guess I was ahead of my time.

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Originally Posted by Mark1010

To hear anyone say the styling looks dated compared to anything else in the market is just odd.

It looks dated in the sense that the car has had the same basic appearance since its introduction in 2003. Although I think it looks decent, Nissan is going to have to change it significantly if they want to get the production numbers back up.

DEpointfive0 · 08-12-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bret_T

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Nissan is not discounting (as in offering dealer incentives or rebates) in order to move the 2013's. This is very odd considering that they lowered the price of the 2014's. The effect is that their dealers are hit with a pretty immediate loss on their inventory. Given that they'd hang dealers out like this, I'm doubting that they are going to care when the same thing happens a year from now. It's just my take. We'll see.

Btw, you're wrong on the not discounting 2013's

Nissan IS giving the dealers $3000~ for every '13 sitting on the lot

Arrvaxx · 08-12-2013, 10:27 AM

Outdated styling? What'eva.

The Z has always been an 'affordable' sportscar and Nissan's announcement to lower the price to compete was another reminder. The rebirth of American muscle and new entrants like the BRZ are simply part of a cycle that we've seen decade after decade.

It is times like these many cars look back to their roots for inspiration and I think Nissan would be wise to do so here. They can start with size and weight. The new buzzwords in reviews are 'fun to drive' (sadly) and both would help that.

If they could reduce size and weight -and- put in a turbo -AND- keep the price down...well my friends, that's the secret sauce.

7speed · 08-12-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by edk370

I'm gonna digress a little, but you'll see what I'm talking about.

Toyota no longer offers a "mid range" sports car like the Supra tt MKIV. That was initially a $35,000+ car when it debuted in '93, and ended up being close to $50,000 MSRP at the end of its run, back in '98/'99 if I'm correct. Toyota saw sales dramatically slip because the yen was too strong relative to the U.S. dollar. Fast forward to now, and you saw how Toyota will only offer ultra-expensive sports cars like the Lexus LFA; well that ended recently and those cars were only available for lease...to people who got chedda. Toyota did this imo because they wanted to get out of the boy-racer/import scene image and instead wanted to be on par in image/prestige with the likes of Ferrari, Lambo, etc...Supra MKIVs get riced out, and so do FD3S's, Z32s, and so forth. Japanese car companies want to shed the import scene/boy-racer image imho. They want to be perceived like high end Euro cars.

I think Nissan will either eliminate the Z a la the Supra, or offer a cheap entry level sports car (and name it other than "Z") a la the BR-Z or Scion to appease the teenage/early 20s mileu, and leave only its marquee sports car i.e. the GT-R because Nissan too wants to leave the boy-racer/import scene image. Besides, the import scene is passé and gaudy now.

Whatever Nissan does, more power to them. The import scene had its 15 minutes and its time to leave it where it belongs--in the past.

Idk about that.... Word is toyotA is working on supra successor with bmw and maybe another rear wheel drive sports compact below the frs.

Streetlife · 08-12-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nailzs

2009 the USA was knee deep in the recession and we're not out of it yet.

I can remember when the 350Z first debuted seeing them come off the truck being delivered here in Houston. Also, i'm sure you'll remember from around 2003-2007 there were 2 cars you seen on every corner the 350Z and the Porsche Boxster, but times have changed and there's no money to borrow from HELOC's (Home Equity Line of Credit) , inflation, dismal job market, etc. If the funds were available, we would see more 370Z's and Porsche Cayman R & S models on the road, Boxsters too.

Bret_T · 08-12-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Nissan IS giving the dealers $3000~ for every '13 sitting on the lot

Can you cite your source? Carsdirect.com and Edmunds both are only indicating a financing incentive for the 2013 370Z's.
Nissan 370Z Incentives and Rebates

BTW, both Carsdirect.com and Edmunds indicate that there are dealer incentives on the Infinity G37.

7speed · 08-12-2013, 11:19 AM

Plus more options out there......decent camaros, challengers, mustang, genesis, frs/brz.

08-12-2013, 07:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
theboydiddy Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New York City Posts: 938 Drives: 370z Pearl White Rep Power: 14	This thread explains exactly why I purchased my Z. I thought about most of this when I purchased it, being that I love the look of the 2012 and under. Without that ugly running day light on the front. I decided to get the 2012 instead of the 2013 which the dealer was trying to get me on. A lot people asked me 'so if you know it's gonna be out of production' or 'if there's chances to be out of production soon or smaller engine and slower why would you get it?' I'm sure this car will be a classic like the 240s are now. I also believe all cars in the near future will be electric. And cars like what we have now will be scarce or non existing. Gentlemen we all have a piece of history in hand. And that's why I purchased my Z. I pray it never get out of production honestly, but the way I see things going it looks like it will be... Soon ! (Sorry for being out of the subject a bit) Leadfoot likes this.

08-12-2013, 08:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
theboydiddy Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New York City Posts: 938 Drives: 370z Pearl White Rep Power: 14	[QUOTE=Mark1010;2442276] To hear anyone say the styling looks dated compared to anything else in the market is just odd. - I strongly believe the Z has THE best sport car look under $50,000 Leadfoot and DavidInIndy like this.

08-12-2013, 10:27 AM	#26 (permalink)
Arrvaxx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Whore Island, MN Posts: 1,243 Drives: 40th F.I. Twin Turbo Rep Power: 18	Outdated styling? What'eva. The Z has always been an 'affordable' sportscar and Nissan's announcement to lower the price to compete was another reminder. The rebirth of American muscle and new entrants like the BRZ are simply part of a cycle that we've seen decade after decade. It is times like these many cars look back to their roots for inspiration and I think Nissan would be wise to do so here. They can start with size and weight. The new buzzwords in reviews are 'fun to drive' (sadly) and both would help that. If they could reduce size and weight -and- put in a turbo -AND- keep the price down...well my friends, that's the secret sauce. __________________ 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary (#480 born 1/19/2010) Fast Intentions Twin Turbo \| Varis Arising II \| Limited Edition Recaro Sportster \| Tuned by Specialty Z \| 604hp 525 torque @14lbs boost on 100 octane

08-12-2013, 11:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
7speed Track Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 697 Drives: 09 370 sports clone Rep Power: 13	Plus more options out there......decent camaros, challengers, mustang, genesis, frs/brz. __________________ 09 370z 6spd traded 1/12/15 for 15 Challenger RT 6spd

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