370Z Sport Package vs Mazdaspeed 3 GT vs S2000 vs Cayman S vs Mazda Rx-8

theDreamer

2 sets, maybe, I have a picture (not mine) of two bags fitting but I believe it has no clubs in them.

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kdoske

Not sure what you are expecting but most well built car are not going to feel like you are driving fast when you are. What you are talking about are cars that are not rigid enough to keep its form at high speeds and it allows you to "feel" the speed.

If thats what you are looking for then I sugest you hop back in your econo box and go to town. Sorry but your review is just silly. This car is incredibly fast and any and every profesionall review/dyno will tell you the same. Just becuase you are use to driving cars that 'feel' fast as apposed to this one that doesn't doesn't mean its not fast.

The fact that you join the forum just to post this hate is insane to me.

I guess your post verifies two things:

• You can take the man out the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the man.
• You can pay for school but you can't buy class.

mook

Sounds like you are having a lot of fun with your Z! Congrats on actually using the car for what it was made for.
Track work in tricked out cars is a whole different beast though, isn't it? As I said in my mini-review, this is a street stock comparison. I am 100% certain that if I was in an environment which allowed balls to the wall redline fun with all the collateral entertainment, Nismo 370Z would be in my driveway tomorrow and I would love every second of it. Maybe I'll get into the that later.
On the street though, for me the fun factor and how fast it "feels" is much more important than whether a Z06 hands me my rear bumper on the platter and then makes me eat it. Smaller, lighter cars with LESS rubber can move about more freely on the streets and on the highway, in general can do creative driving bits at lower speeds and make you work the car and participate in the process rather than point and squirt stuff that a car like Z06 is restricted to on the streets. Maybe 370Z is the middle ground, I am not sure.

A good example is in some cities where things are tighter and law is on the
case, many choose light agile 600cc crotch rockets instead of the faster and heavier 1000cc machines, myself included. Highway aside, it's no fun to roll around in two gears all day long babying the throttle like it's going to bite you.
600, you can work and feel like a MotoGP hero without going to jail, well... ok... maybe a few tickets. Oh and the actual average speed - is too close to worry about. The highway, well that's another matter. Nothing like the narrowing street at 180mph on two wheels, not that I have ever done it =).

That's why Miatas are so much fun when boosted on the street.

For instance, the latest tiny tricked out Lotus is a monster track machine but it is routinely passed by Cayman S in British reviews because it is just more fun on the street, believe it or not (I have to, cause noone is going to let me test drive the Lotus)

mook

You talking about straight line constant speed driving?

Acceleration (torque wins races by the way, HP just sells cars... and computers, lol), cornering and the manner of weight transitions is what I am talking about. The more rigid the car overall, the more you gonna feel those. You ever drove a moderately fast go-cart? You walk away with bruises on your body in all the unpadded bits. A friend of mine had his arm broken just from one of the seriously fast go carts regaining traction in an awkward way. No give there.

Or did someone cancel the laws of physics in your neck of the woods?

stag3

i think it's just the diff between being boosted and n/a

batman_4

, in my case i don't own or have owned an s2k, but 3 of my close friends do. the S is farrrr from the 370, with all of my friends agreeing. i used to enjoy driving their s2ks when i had my 350 but now that i have the 370 the s2k's do nothing for me in any department.

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mook

Sorry, about offering a speculation here, but here it goes anyways:

One of the things I love most about street entertainment is low speed drift (do not attempt at home, driver on closed circuit, void where prohibited, etc)

According to IL (and there is no way I can test this at the dealership =)unmodded 370 does not have a predictable oversteer, spins the inner tire more than the outer (weak LSD - this sucks for drift as it will arrest it suddenly, which is no fun at all, and that is why I am bummed out about no LSD on Caymans) and is much more difficult to drift than the 350.

Still the Nismo drifting videos are really good stuff, but so are the Genesis.

mook

Got a deal I could not turn down on a 2007 Cayman S with 2 years factory warranty left on it.... for way under the MSRP of a touring sport 370Z. Damn the LSDs...

I'll just ride this little rocket until the 09 is more affordable.
Going to pick it up today

ConchZ2

I agree……….and in addition, the Cayman/Boxster is really a disposable motor should something happen!
My 16 year old niece drives a Mazda 3 GT and loves it, so it cannot be all bad!

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RCZ

Having driven all these cars, I'd like to know what drugs you are smoking The only car in that group that's in the same performance class as the Z is the cayman. I'm talking about the 09 Cayman too...

The S2000 is a great little car, but it doesn't have enough power to keep up with a stock Z, much less a modified one...or just about anything else but a Miata. The Mazda 3? competent? Hardly. The RX8 arguably can handle around a road course, but its not by any stretch of the imagination a good bang for the buck.

It's silly to think that after test driving the car and reading magazine articles you think you know enough or for some reason feel inclined to come post gibberish on a 370Z forum. I'd love you to drive my 370Z and still tell me after that your opinion still stands. In fact, lets take your precious Cayman and I'll take my Z to the track and see if you still think any of those cars you mentioned are still any good. Come on, I'll go with street tires.

mook

but not having read the posts? That's not what we are talking about.
As a side note, just because a Corvette can blow the doors off the 370Z (and you can modify both, if you like), does not make it a more fun car to drive. And that is what I was talking about: street use, unmodified driving experience that hopefully won't land you in jail.

Without regard for the actual "whose balls are bigger" question, which comes down to drivers, equipment, track condition, temperature, humidity luck, bluh bluh bluh. I don't have to tell you about that...

Not everyone who enjoys cars and knows how to double clutch takes their cars to the track. Very small percentage of cars are actually modified, even fewer make it to the track. And not just because the owners are broke or scared of loud noises.

If you do, good for you, I am envious.

But love your racing attitude, must be fun to tustle with you, street tires or not.

o0javi0o

Damm.... I need to trade my Ferrari Enzo for a Mazda 3. Its really fun and head turning, have you seen those Commercial Ads of the zoom zoom Mazda 3? yeah, I need one of those.
Go zoom zoom!
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All I've to say is that its your opinion and congrats that you've found your dream performance car ever. Now go, send an application to EdMunds, Car and Driver, Road and Track, Import Tuner or whatever other magazine you think that is better for you to work as a reporter.

travisjb

this'd be a good story for the onion... man (boy-teen-whatever) trades in enzo via clunkers for cash to get shiny new mazda 3!

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juan05

well i driven the ms3 is fun to drive my friend has it modded...so its feels fast..but i think after i get my nismo the proper break in i will unleash its real power i havent taken it over 4.500 RPMS so there is that 7.400 rpm redline waiting for me so ill let you guys know how it all goes.. and looks and interior the Z is the way to go.

MightyBobo

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