almost bought a 370z today

ElVee · 06-25-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by critical

auto is smooth as butter. i use it to shift from 1 to 2 from standstill then pop it in M, and when i come to a light I let it down shift for me for smoothness. 95% of the time I'm in M

Wait, you can be in 2nd at a standstill? At the risk of hijacking someone else's thread, pray tell how this magic occurs, because I want this!

(This is *one* reason I prefer my older car in the winter, because I can bump it up to 2nd at a standstill.)

critical · 06-25-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

Wait, you can be in 2nd at a standstill? At the risk of hijacking someone else's thread, pray tell how this magic occurs, because I want this!

(This is *one* reason I prefer my older car in the winter, because I can bump it up to 2nd at a standstill.)

No I meant I have it in drive when it first take off and let it shift from 1 to 2.

Masa · 06-25-2013, 07:57 AM

After removing the clutch helper spring assembly entirely I fell in love with driving the car again. That spring causes nothing but problems.

Removing the spring altogether gives you so much pedal feedback and actually makes driving the 6MT effortless. When I removed mine and took it for a spin it was similar to driving my old Civic Si. The clutch operation with the gearing felt so much better.

Jasonle · 06-25-2013, 08:03 AM

I need to buy this spring thing!

speedracer007 · 06-25-2013, 08:08 AM

Before making a final decision, test drive the Auto.

I drove Manuals my whole life, and when I decided to get a Z, I naturally assumed I would get a Manual. Test drove the Auto and loved it. When I jump on it, the Auto will redline before shifting so I get plenty of acceleration.

Every once in awhile I play around with the paddle shifters. if I want to pretend I am driving in a video game

Whatever you decide, dont let the salesman push you into a vehicle you dont want. Of course he wanted to sell you that car, it was the one he had on the lot.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 08:08 AM

Don't even buy the spring. Just take the OEM spring out and give it a try. You'll probably find that you love it and will end up saving yourself $15 or so for a new spring.

A friend gave me a spring for free... yes, it is a lot better than stock... but no spring at all is best. Verify you like it, then remove the entire assembly.

Don't be surprised if you shed a tear or two, especially when you realize you could have spent the last 4 years with clutch feel if you did it right when you bought the car.

Chuck33079 · 06-25-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Don't even buy the spring. Just take the OEM spring out and give it a try. You'll probably find that you love it and will end up saving yourself $15 or so for a new spring.

A friend gave me a spring for free... yes, it is a lot better than stock... but no spring at all is best. Verify you like it, then remove the entire assembly.

Don't be surprised if you shed a tear or two, especially when you realize you could have spent the last 4 years with clutch feel if you did it right when you bought the car.

Every bit of this. My spring was removed 36 hours after I bought it. Night and day difference. Don't let that be the reason you don't buy the car, or buy the auto if you really want the manual.

jaedub · 06-26-2013, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Don't even buy the spring. Just take the OEM spring out and give it a try. You'll probably find that you love it and will end up saving yourself $15 or so for a new spring.

A friend gave me a spring for free... yes, it is a lot better than stock... but no spring at all is best. Verify you like it, then remove the entire assembly.

Don't be surprised if you shed a tear or two, especially when you realize you could have spent the last 4 years with clutch feel if you did it right when you bought the car.

Hey m4, if I do take out the OEM spring, what difference does it make?

DEpointfive0 · 06-26-2013, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

Hey m4, if I do take out the OEM spring, what difference does it make?

Just do it and report back to us thank us

tjlazer · 06-26-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Don't even buy the spring. Just take the OEM spring out and give it a try. You'll probably find that you love it and will end up saving yourself $15 or so for a new spring.

A friend gave me a spring for free... yes, it is a lot better than stock... but no spring at all is best. Verify you like it, then remove the entire assembly.

Don't be surprised if you shed a tear or two, especially when you realize you could have spent the last 4 years with clutch feel if you did it right when you bought the car.

It was concluded that the spring is needed to keep it from getting damaged, there needs to be something in there to keep it all together. I would get the spring, it is 75% lighter and about as good as no spring... It's only $15 shipped on eBay.

m4a1mustang · 06-26-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer

It was concluded that the spring is needed to keep it from getting damaged, there needs to be something in there to keep it all together. I would get the spring, it is 75% lighter and about as good as no spring...

Where was it "concluded" that it is needed to prevent damage? There has been nothing but speculation on the board and no one has been able to produce concrete evidence that no spring is potentially damaging.

Haboob · 06-26-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Where was it "concluded" that it is needed to prevent damage? There has been nothing but speculation on the board and no one has been able to produce concrete evidence that no spring is potentially damaging.

Haven't had any issues with mine w/o the spring.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-25-2013, 08:34 AM

I think while the Z manual fulfills the habitual void of needing to drive the manual.
The auto in manual mode actually provides the performance expectations you'd exprect from the manual without the clutch.
While manual is the rush to gearbox for most enthusiasts... From my test drives of the manual, I think Nissan got it backward on the Z. The auto responds better.

But you can always try mustangs solution as well

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I think while the Z manual fulfills the habitual void of needing to drive the manual.
The auto in manual mode actually provides the performance expectations you'd exprect from the manual without the clutch.
While manual is the rush to gearbox for most enthusiasts... From my test drives of the manual, I think Nissan got it backward on the Z. The auto responds better.

But you can always try mustangs solution as well

With the helper spring removed the transmission actually feels good. Since you can feel the pressure plate operation you can work the transmission correctly and consistently. With the OEM helper spring it's really clunky and cumbersome, but I think that can be attributed to the total lack of feel from the clutch. There's a lot of guessing involved so shifts and starts are almost always rough and never consistent.

With the helper spring removed, however, transmission operation is delightful. It's not as smooth and sweet as an S2000, but it is, dare I say, a pretty good transmission. Nissan just went and f*cked it up by adding a completely unnecessary helper spring.

DEpointfive0 · 06-25-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I think while the Z manual fulfills the habitual void of needing to drive the manual.
The auto in manual mode actually provides the performance expectations you'd exprect from the manual without the clutch.
While manual is the rush to gearbox for most enthusiasts... From my test drives of the manual, I think Nissan got it backward on the Z. The auto responds better.

But you can always try mustangs solution as well

very good review on both or the reasons for each transmission

OP, if you DIE for the manual, do what Mr. Mustang said at the dealership.
The only thing I have heard without the clutch spring or even with the softer one is that the pedal jiggles around a bit and doesn't stay in the same place. M6 people can confirm since I drive the more superior 7AT

06-25-2013, 07:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Masa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2,237 Drives: Family Cars Rep Power: 21	After removing the clutch helper spring assembly entirely I fell in love with driving the car again. That spring causes nothing but problems. Removing the spring altogether gives you so much pedal feedback and actually makes driving the 6MT effortless. When I removed mine and took it for a spin it was similar to driving my old Civic Si. The clutch operation with the gearing felt so much better. __________________ BMW 340i Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk

06-25-2013, 08:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jasonle A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 3,509 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 26	I need to buy this spring thing! __________________ 2009 Nissan 370z/2003 Honda Soccer Van Shineauto Amuse Body Kit/UAM Fenders/Bc Br Coilovers/Topspeed Exhaust/Racing Hart Wheels and More My Sexy Beast

06-25-2013, 08:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
speedracer007 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 119 Drives: 2013 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 13	Give the Auto a try Before making a final decision, test drive the Auto. I drove Manuals my whole life, and when I decided to get a Z, I naturally assumed I would get a Manual. Test drove the Auto and loved it. When I jump on it, the Auto will redline before shifting so I get plenty of acceleration. Every once in awhile I play around with the paddle shifters. if I want to pretend I am driving in a video game Whatever you decide, dont let the salesman push you into a vehicle you dont want. Of course he wanted to sell you that car, it was the one he had on the lot. UNKNOWN_370 and Streetlife like this.

06-25-2013, 08:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Don't even buy the spring. Just take the OEM spring out and give it a try. You'll probably find that you love it and will end up saving yourself $15 or so for a new spring. A friend gave me a spring for free... yes, it is a lot better than stock... but no spring at all is best. Verify you like it, then remove the entire assembly. Don't be surprised if you shed a tear or two, especially when you realize you could have spent the last 4 years with clutch feel if you did it right when you bought the car. UNKNOWN_370, Jasonle and Chuck33079 like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I think while the Z manual fulfills the habitual void of needing to drive the manual. The auto in manual mode actually provides the performance expectations you'd exprect from the manual without the clutch. While manual is the rush to gearbox for most enthusiasts... From my test drives of the manual, I think Nissan got it backward on the Z. The auto responds better. But you can always try mustangs solution as well Streetlife likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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