2016 Nissan Z: Sorry, Z Fans, No Return to Roots Just Yet

Mines 370z · 06-21-2013, 11:01 PM

I saw this article and thought I would share.

Sorry if it's a repost.

What It Is: The seventh generation of Nissan's iconic sports car. Despite rumors of a 240Z reboot, a downsized Z is unlikely, as Nissan doesn't have an appropriate architecture to refashion the Z into a lighter, less expensive sports car akin to the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ twins. Expect a concept car appearing in the next 18 months to indicate a new design direction. The styling will break with the immediate past even as the rest of the package steams ahead on much the same course.

Why It Matters: In a lineup fraught with frugal four-cylinders paired with CVTs, the Z is as much an outlier as the GT-R. But Nissan needs the Z to tend the fire, reminding the world of the Datsun days when affordable performance was more of a corporate priority than cross-dressing crossovers. Godzilla may be the halo car, but it now costs six figures.

Platform: The Z will share a chassis with the Infiniti Q50. This new iteration of Nissan's entry-luxury sedan rides on an updated version of the venerable FM platform that underpins the current Z. Nissan will do what it can to keep the weight down, deploying more aluminum along with other pound-paring measures.

Powertrain: The VQ V-6 is a sure bet, but enhanced with direct injection to make at least 350 horsepower. Not even CVT-crazy Nissan is nuts enough to nix the Z's six-speed manual, which should soldier on alongside the current seven-speed automatic. Don't expect to see the Q50's performance hybrid system in the Z, but a Mercedes-designed, turbocharged four-cylinder could be offered. Nissan will be building the smaller-displacement engine, destined for the Q50, in Tennessee.

Competition: Audi TT, Chevrolet Camaro, Ford Mustang, Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

What Might Go Wrong: We're not sure the Z can survive another generation saddled with a platform designed for bigger, heavier sedans. Its thirsty V-6 could turn off buyers wanting to drive their playthings daily, but a more economical four-cylinder may not offer sufficient performance to uphold the Z-car image.

Estimated Arrival and Price: Early 2015, with a base price just under $35,000.

2016 Nissan Z: 25 Cars Worth Waiting For 2014–2017 – Future Cars – Car and Driver

Z_ealot · 06-21-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mines 370z

I saw this article and thought I would share.

Sorry if it's a repost.

What It Is: The seventh generation of Nissan's iconic sports car. Despite rumors of a 240Z reboot, a downsized Z is unlikely, as Nissan doesn't have an appropriate architecture to refashion the Z into a lighter, less expensive sports car akin to the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ twins. Expect a concept car appearing in the next 18 months to indicate a new design direction. The styling will break with the immediate past even as the rest of the package steams ahead on much the same course.

Why It Matters: In a lineup fraught with frugal four-cylinders paired with CVTs, the Z is as much an outlier as the GT-R. But Nissan needs the Z to tend the fire, reminding the world of the Datsun days when affordable performance was more of a corporate priority than cross-dressing crossovers. Godzilla may be the halo car, but it now costs six figures.

Platform: The Z will share a chassis with the Infiniti Q50. This new iteration of Nissan's entry-luxury sedan rides on an updated version of the venerable FM platform that underpins the current Z. Nissan will do what it can to keep the weight down, deploying more aluminum along with other pound-paring measures.

Powertrain: The VQ V-6 is a sure bet, but enhanced with direct injection to make at least 350 horsepower. Not even CVT-crazy Nissan is nuts enough to nix the Z's six-speed manual, which should soldier on alongside the current seven-speed automatic. Don't expect to see the Q50's performance hybrid system in the Z, but a Mercedes-designed, turbocharged four-cylinder could be offered. Nissan will be building the smaller-displacement engine, destined for the Q50, in Tennessee.

Competition: Audi TT, Chevrolet Camaro, Ford Mustang, Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

What Might Go Wrong: We're not sure the Z can survive another generation saddled with a platform designed for bigger, heavier sedans. Its thirsty V-6 could turn off buyers wanting to drive their playthings daily, but a more economical four-cylinder may not offer sufficient performance to uphold the Z-car image.

Estimated Arrival and Price: Early 2015, with a base price just under $35,000.

2016 Nissan Z: 25 Cars Worth Waiting For 2014–2017 – Future Cars – Car and Driver

repost, but as far as im concerned C&D is just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to the next Z and while their guesses may be good, they are still guesses and the only people that really know all work for nissan and aren't going to be saying anything for the time being...in other words, car and driver can go F*** themselves

Mines 370z · 06-21-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

repost, but as far as im concerned C&D is just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to the next Z and while they're guesses may be good, they are still guesses and the only people that really know all work for nissan and aren't going to be saying anything for the time being...in other words, car and driver can go F*** themselves

LOL!!!!!

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-22-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

repost, but as far as im concerned C&D is just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to the next Z and while they're guesses may be good, they are still guesses and the only people that really know all work for nissan and aren't going to be saying anything for the time being...in other words, car and driver can go F*** themselves

Over the last decade, C&D has become the "National Enquirer" of the Car mag world when it comes to auto news. Their reviews are just as weak as edmunds.

They are even more in the dark than us... Those corporate sponsored losers.

VCuomo · 06-22-2013, 01:19 PM

I sincerely doubt that C&D "is just as much in the dark as the rest of us". Do you really think that they have no sources within Nissan?

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-22-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

I sincerely doubt that C&D "is just as much in the dark as the rest of us". Do you really think that they have no sources within Nissan?

I guess you haven't kept a track record on how many false rumors they've spread about many cars over the last decade???

Jsolo · 06-22-2013, 01:22 PM

If implemented properly, GDI is good. More power, and better mpg. Hopefully they can engineer such a solution that does not cause valve deposits.

SS_Firehawk · 06-22-2013, 02:07 PM

I actually agree that this is the most likely course of action, but with more power. Direct injection, some drivetrain improvements, and evolutionary improvements to the motor will improve efficiency. With the Q50 debuting on a FM platform and still running a VQ motor, it really spells out what the new Z is getting. It won't be drastically different because if it is, it won't be profitable and it won't be cheap.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-22-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I actually agree that this is the most likely course of action, but with more power. Direct injection, some drivetrain improvements, and evolutionary improvements to the motor will improve efficiency. With the Q50 debuting on a FM platform and still running a VQ motor, it really spells out what the new Z is getting. It won't be drastically different because if it is, it won't be profitable and it won't be cheap.

You're probably, maybe right??? But C&D is not a reliable source to confirm these facts, opinions or whatever? What we do know, is what the Z35 engineers said straight out from their mouths talking to Leno. They want to go back to the Z roots (smaller, lighter) for the Z35. But they never said how.

Lastly, the Q50 is 129 lbs lighter than the G. so that is still considered weight reduction. So again, that is a small piece of evidence that may have us on the FM platform. but until we know something about the Q60? Which we don't... We're basically still in the dark.

The Q50 and Q60 are being debuted almost as seperate cars with an 18-24 moth difference in debuts and we don't know why???

Lastly, we're getting 7 years of Z34 instead of 6. Which is the general rule. They need the extra time for some reason?

JungleZ · 06-22-2013, 03:02 PM

The Q50 looks like crap, if thats their direction i dont have high hopes at all.

Mt Tam I am · 06-22-2013, 03:06 PM

Boo so far.

SS_Firehawk · 06-22-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

The Q50 looks like crap, if thats their direction i dont have high hopes at all.

So when did Nissan and Infiniti ever fit in the same style family? Since when was this about the Q50? Since when did your opinion matter? You troll all day proclaiming the Z sucks... You gonna go to an Infiniti forum and tell them how you feel too? Pretty sure they won't care either.

I love my Z and if it's more of the same, with evolutionary improvements, fine by me. It doesn't need an entirely new platform. The GTR's platform is called "Premium Midship" platform, which is just an improved version"Front Midship" platform. If the GTR can do what it does on similar underpinnings, it's not old or broken. The VQ motor is already getting over 30mpg in the Altima using port injection. I don't think it's unrealistic to anticipate 29-30 mpg with the upcoming Z. Weight will be similar and direct injection will improve fuel economy and increase performance. These are just my thoughts. I really think the entire platform can go another generation with improvements.

JungleZ · 06-22-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

So when did Nissan and Infiniti ever fit in the same style family? Since when was this about the Q50? Since when did your opinion matter? You troll all day proclaiming the Z sucks... You gonna go to an Infiniti forum and tell them how you feel too? Pretty sure they won't care either.

I love my Z and if it's more of the same, with evolutionary improvements, fine by me. It doesn't need an entirely new platform. The GTR's platform is called "Premium Midship" platform, which is just an improved version"Front Midship" platform. If the GTR can do what it does on similar underpinnings, it's not old or broken. The VQ motor is already getting over 30mpg in the Altima using port injection. I don't think it's unrealistic to anticipate 29-30 mpg with the upcoming Z. Weight will be similar and direct injection will improve fuel economy and increase performance. These are just my thoughts. I really think the entire platform can go another generation with improvements.

Does the 350Z/G35 Ring a bell?? Also its obvious you dont even know the next direction of this car as they are trying to fix the things i have the biggest issues with! Trying to make this car feel like less of a fat pig" we need a serious weight reduction" quoted by the head guys themselves... " We need better mpg"" i get 13 mpg in the city...

Who knows if theyre going to fix the horrible manual gearbox and rough coarse engine that needs to be revved the hell out of just to move.

SS_Firehawk · 06-22-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Does the 350Z/G35 Ring a bell?? Also its obvious you dont even know the next direction of this car as they are trying to fix the things i have the biggest issues with! Trying to make this car feel like less of a fat pig" we need a serious weight reduction" quoted by the head guys themselves... " We need better mpg"" i get 13 mpg in the city...

Who knows if theyre going to fix the horrible manual gearbox and rough coarse engine that needs to be revved the hell out of just to move.

"The Q50 looks like crap, if thats their direction i dont have high hopes at all."

How in the blue hell does this have anything to do with the upcoming Z?
3200-3300lbs (give or take 30lbs) is not "a fat pig". The EVO, Subaru, Mustangs, Camaro's, they all weigh more. The Z weighs as much as a Vette. Considering they dropped 125lbs with the Q50, I think I do know the direction they are going. I've stated before the Z will most likely lose 100lbs, anything more is a far shot. I already addressed your "we need more mpg" Making 380hp and 30mpg is my estimate (from the VQ), nothing more to say. I highly doubt you only get 13mpg in the city. Maybe you don't know how to effectively drive in the city. You probably tail gate, hit your brakes, accelerate, and repeat. I was getting 14mpg with busted O2 sensors and the injectors literally dumping fuel into the motor. You are lying. Gear box isn't bad and considered subjective. Skip shifting doesn't work well, but it's not a clunky box. The engine is harsh, but because you have it leased, the harshness was really the exhaust. My car sounds and feels smooth as butter all the way up to 7500rpm. The engine makes more than enough power, even at low rpm. I give my car a throttle blip, as I release the clutch and I get moving along just fine. Following you're whole 350Z/G35 logic, they don't look the same, the 370Z does not look like a G37. But both the 350Z/G35 and 370Z/G37 are based on the same engine, transmission, and platform. For the past two model generations it's been like this, why do you think it's going to change? What was so different about the Z cars drivetrain, chassis, or powertrain that is not on the G's? SRM is the only thing that comes to mind and it's software. Chances are extremely high it will be an improvement not much different from the 07/08 350Z's to the 370Z's.

dizenman · 06-23-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Does the 350Z/G35 Ring a bell?? Also its obvious you dont even know the next direction of this car as they are trying to fix the things i have the biggest issues with! Trying to make this car feel like less of a fat pig" we need a serious weight reduction" quoted by the head guys themselves... " We need better mpg"" i get 13 mpg in the city...

Who knows if theyre going to fix the horrible manual gearbox and rough coarse engine that needs to be revved the hell out of just to move.

Be thankful you never owned an rx8 then. Doesnt make a lick of power below 5000 rpm and the tranny grinds in just about gear. Biggest mistake going from my 350z to that. finally working on getting into a 370z...

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Mines 370z Base Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Atlanta Posts: 33 Drives: 2010 370z Rep Power: 12	2016 Nissan Z: Sorry, Z Fans, No Return to Roots Just Yet I saw this article and thought I would share. Sorry if it's a repost. What It Is: The seventh generation of Nissan's iconic sports car. Despite rumors of a 240Z reboot, a downsized Z is unlikely, as Nissan doesn't have an appropriate architecture to refashion the Z into a lighter, less expensive sports car akin to the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ twins. Expect a concept car appearing in the next 18 months to indicate a new design direction. The styling will break with the immediate past even as the rest of the package steams ahead on much the same course. Why It Matters: In a lineup fraught with frugal four-cylinders paired with CVTs, the Z is as much an outlier as the GT-R. But Nissan needs the Z to tend the fire, reminding the world of the Datsun days when affordable performance was more of a corporate priority than cross-dressing crossovers. Godzilla may be the halo car, but it now costs six figures. Platform: The Z will share a chassis with the Infiniti Q50. This new iteration of Nissan's entry-luxury sedan rides on an updated version of the venerable FM platform that underpins the current Z. Nissan will do what it can to keep the weight down, deploying more aluminum along with other pound-paring measures. Powertrain: The VQ V-6 is a sure bet, but enhanced with direct injection to make at least 350 horsepower. Not even CVT-crazy Nissan is nuts enough to nix the Z's six-speed manual, which should soldier on alongside the current seven-speed automatic. Don't expect to see the Q50's performance hybrid system in the Z, but a Mercedes-designed, turbocharged four-cylinder could be offered. Nissan will be building the smaller-displacement engine, destined for the Q50, in Tennessee. Competition: Audi TT, Chevrolet Camaro, Ford Mustang, Hyundai Genesis Coupe. What Might Go Wrong: We're not sure the Z can survive another generation saddled with a platform designed for bigger, heavier sedans. Its thirsty V-6 could turn off buyers wanting to drive their playthings daily, but a more economical four-cylinder may not offer sufficient performance to uphold the Z-car image. Estimated Arrival and Price: Early 2015, with a base price just under $35,000. 2016 Nissan Z: 25 Cars Worth Waiting For 2014–2017 – Future Cars – Car and Driver

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