Edmunds: 370Z vs. 135i

cstr_Cali · 12-15-2008, 12:54 AM

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Dare To Compare

By Chris Walton, Chief Road Test Editor Email | Blog
Date posted: 12-14-2008
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What comes after Z?, we wondered when Nissan let the stage go black in 1996 and officially bid farewell to the Z-car at an event at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. Sales of the twin-turbo 300ZX had been declining as fast as applications for library cards, so Nissan simply stopped selling the car in the U.S. It made us wonder where the Z fit in Nissan's future.

The answer came in 2002, when the Nissan 350Z appeared, a serious sports car that seemed to measure itself against the Corvette in both speed and style. It brought people back to Nissan, but lots of the young enthusiasts didn't know what an icon the Z had been for the company since its inception in 1970.

With the 2009 Nissan 370Z, all that changes. As a Z should be, the 370Z is a statement of purpose, not just another car on the showroom floor. With this second-generation version of the revitalized Z, the car has moved on from affordable performance to something that brings new descriptions into play — not only like quick, fast, strong and powerful, but also gorgeous, luxurious, nimble, graceful, delicate and smooth.

This is a car so good that it makes you wonder what kind of car it is: a sports car, a sport coupe or a muscle-bound pony car? And that's where the 2008 BMW 135i comes in, a pocket-size BMW M3 with an affordable price tag to match.

The Not-So-Secret Weapon
The 2009 Nissan 370Z is priced like a pony car, with an MSRP for the base model that will start a whisker below $30,000 (final pricing has yet to be announced before the car's official on-sale date in January). Our Z arrived with the Sport package ($3,500 est.) and a still-wet paint job in nail-polish red ($500 estimated) for an estimated total of $34,625.

During the Z-car's development, Nissan targeted the Porsche Cayman as the new Z-car's dynamic goal. But the 2009 Cayman makes only 265 horsepower from its new 2.9-liter flat-6 engine, and you'll have to up the ante by almost $10,000 for a 2009 Cayman S with 320 hp to come within reach of the Z's 332-hp 3.7-liter V6. Suddenly, you're looking at a price tag far above $50,000, and the Porsche Cayman at any price seems one-dimensional compared to the Z-car.

We found the answer in our long-term test fleet and our very own 2008 BMW 135i, with its already legendary twin-turbo 300-hp inline-6 and a $35,725 base price. (Our particular test car also includes $2,045 in options, but those are mostly dress upgrades.)

Unlike the Z-car, the BMW has a backseat, but it also has the same sense of being fully equipped with both performance and convenience equipment as the Z-car. In this it's like a baby M3, combining sports car performance with sport coupe practicality. And this is what the 2009 Nissan 370Z is after, we think.

Who Would Have Believed?
All our scurrilous suspicions about the ineffectiveness of the 370Z's negligible weight reduction over the 350Z were put to rest after the Z-car's first quarter-mile pass. The radio crackled, "High 13s! I think I can bring it down with a better bog-free launch. Beep." Sure enough, raising the rpm to about five grand before dumping the clutch let the monster 275mm-width Potenzas sing that telling tone: the one that says, "You nailed it, now just don't botch a shift, cowboy." The result is 5.1 seconds to 60 mph (4.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 104.6 mph. Yeow.

We went positively apoplectic when the first 2007 BMW 335i Coupe ran down a drag strip with numbers like those. Well guess what? Our daily-driver 135i nearly duplicated the Z-car's run with its own 5.1-second dash to 60 mph (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and a quarter-mile of 13.4 seconds at 103.5 mph.

Uh-oh. That's a dead heat, and this isn't going to be an easy one to call when it comes time to put the test scores on paper, is it?

Grip 'n Grin
While the 370Z is the fastest production Z-car ever, the better news is that the heavy shifting action and equally ham-fisted steering response have been banished. What's more, adding the Sport package's upsized brakes, viscous limited-slip differential, lightweight wheels and wide tires give the Z-car some incredible stick, too.

Never mind the Cayman. Remember when a 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo with its $8,800 optional carbon-ceramic brakes brought that ultraexpensive car to a halt from 60 mph in just 103 feet? This Nissan 370Z with its own brake upgrades stopped in 101 feet on the first and fifth attempts, proving highly resistant to fade. These are solid, powerful brakes that give you confidence, to be sure.

Of course, we discovered that repeated hammering on the Nissan's brake pedal deformed something in the linkage in a way that makes at least one sensor think the brake pedal is constantly on. When this happens, the throttle will default to only 20 percent input (a similar strategy to prevent unintended acceleration is featured by cars from the German manufacturers, among others). The quick fix is to simply lift the brake pedal with the toe of your left foot, and then later we taped a couple pennies between the sensor and the perch it was looking for. Apparently Nissan discovered this issue shortly after this preproduction car was built and a permanent fix has been made.

The BMW 135i wasn't napping, though. On its second and fifth braking attempts, the Bavarian repeated silent and controlled stops from 60 mph of 108 feet. The Z-car has an advantage here in tire choice, but we also found that the BMW brake system makes it a little easier to jump on the pedal and still get response that is more linear and easier to modulate.

When the slalom runs returned effectively identical speeds of 69.8 mph for the Nissan and 69.7 mph for the BMW, we couldn't help but laugh. (C'mon, these two cars are identical on paper, but they feel so different.) The tie-breaking test came on the skid pad, where the relatively small tires on the BMW manage to produce a highly respectable orbit of 0.90g that is summarily crushed by the Z's supercarlike 0.97g grip. (Where'd that come from? This thing's got brutal levels of mechanical grip.)

Charting the Differences
As we switched between these two cars over the course of several days, it was a remarkable thing to travel through space at the same rate but record two entirely different experiences. On the same roads and at the same speed, the BMW clearly values ride compliance and engine smoothness and quietness in general, while the Nissan provides unrelenting contact with the road, razor-sharp control and an unmistakable V6 soundtrack. Mark that down.

Honestly, though, the Z's exhaust sounds far better from outside than it does from within. This version of the VQ-Series V6 drones a bit, and it gets pretty tiresome with time. Speaking of tiresome, the same goes for the roar generated by the Z's huge Bridgestones, emphasis on stones. We suspect the din would be more subdued with the standard tires, but then you wouldn't have all that grip, now, would you? Mark that.

More differences were discovered when we started logging standard and optional equipment. Intelligent ignition key? Standard on the Z, optional on the 135i. The same holds true for heated seats, but then you get four in the 135i (although they're wrapped in sweat-producing leatherette unless you opt for leather). The seats in the 370Z might be cloth (you need to order the Touring model for leather) and they'll make you feel like you need to visit the gym more often, but they're also highly supportive and keep the driver in place when exploring the car's limits.

And when you look hard at an overall list of features, the Z-car looks pretty strong. (Check out our Features Comparison for a more thorough discussion.)

Say It With Style
You know Nissan "got it" from the moment you first glance at the 2009 370Z. Believe us when we say that the styling works far better in person than it does in photos, even if our award-winning photographer Scott Jacobs captures it. Those powerful wheel arches, especially on the rear of the car, give the 370Z genuine sports-car cred with one simple yet profound gesture.

The sharp character lines running down the hood are carried into a grille that has far more personality than the previous car's rectangular duct, while the 4 inches sliced out of the wheelbase enhance a kind of cohesive mechanical effect. We love it, and we'd love to see an all-black 370Z with blacked-out windows.

We can appreciate that there are some of you who believe the BMW 1 Series bears some resemblance to the car that's widely recognized as the original sport sedan, the BMW 2002, but there are also those among us who still think it looks like a potbellied pig. Sorry, but it's no breathtaking Z8, or even nearly as lust-worthy as a 335i coupe's sweeping lines. It's not going to age well, either.

Interesting? Yes. Corporate? Undoubtedly. Gorgeous? Now don't get carried away.

Are We Ever Going To Choose a Winner?
When the 2008 BMW 135i came to us, we found it to be one of the purest expressions of the BMW character since the 1971 BMW 2002 tii. Now that the novelty has worn off a bit and we've driven one for close to 15,000 miles, we still think it's a brilliant car. With a long-legged engine that's as happy at 2,000 rpm as it is at 7,000 rpm, this BMW is destined to continue to win comparison tests and conquest buyers for years to come.

The 2009 Nissan 370Z achieves the same sort of thing on the Nissan side. It's so improved in every way over the 350Z that it comes off like a completely different car. Think of the 350Z as a really long prototyping program or maybe an elaborate focus group process. It might have taken six years to work out the kinks, but man, was it worth it. It is both sports car and sport coupe, just as in Mr. K's original concept for the 1970 Datsun 240Z and very much as the BMW M3 has evolved. And it wins this comparison test.

We'll even go so far as to say that the 2009 Nissan 370Z now raises the standard for the sport coupe segment to a new level of affordable excellence. Its accessible performance alone is worthy of status as a benchmark. Its looks alone will bring people to a Nissan showroom. And the combination of the Z-car's reasonable price and fuel -efficiency (22 mpg EPA combined) will certainly get your attention.

The 2009 Nissan 370Z has the whole benchmark package wrapped up with a bow: price, exterior design, interior packaging, performance, features and that X-factor that makes you just want to go out and drive one, and drive it hard. Thinking of the Z-car as a sports car is one thing, but we can honestly say that there's not another sport coupe that can touch the new Z. Dare to compare.

The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.

2009 Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i Comparison Test on Inside Line

shumby · 12-15-2008, 01:06 AM

yup the Z rocks

azn370z · 12-15-2008, 01:23 AM

I'm surprised the z won over a bmw. Usually even if the bmw is slower, etc the bmw wins in the comparisons. Edmunds takes great photos, interesting they said the car looks better in person than in photos.

tranceformer · 12-15-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I'm surprised the z won over a bmw. Usually even if the bmw is slower, etc the bmw wins in the comparisons. Edmunds takes great photos, interesting they said the car looks better in person than in photos.

:+1:

That's usually the norm for these 'unbiased' magazine comparisons. There was no nitpicking about little creature comforts that have nothing to do with overall performance, which is a good thing.

cstr_Cali · 12-15-2008, 07:47 PM

AK370Z · 12-15-2008, 08:15 PM

Sweet find, Cstr!

Here's what their lead sr editor has to say:

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Lead Senior Editor Ed Hellwig says:
This wouldn't have been a very tough decision if the 370Z was nothing more than the old car with a bigger engine and some new styling. I never much cared for the 350Z. Lots of potential there, but it was always hard to exploit it. I would have chosen the 135i in a second.

But Nissan went further, much further. The 370Z feels like a real sports car, not just a Japanese muscle coupe. You can push it hard around turns without feeling like it's about to bite your head off at any moment. The steering is accurate and nicely weighted, too. And when you're not running at full speed, it's a comfortable, refined car that doesn't beat you up.

I could say almost all the same things about the 135i. It, too, is easy to drive fast and comfortable everywhere else. There's more room inside and less road noise on the highway as well. But in the end, that's why I would pick the Z. It has that edge that makes it more than just a fast daily driver. It's the opposite, a fast sports car that just happens to be comfortable enough to drive every day. It wasn't always this way with the Z, but it is now and I like it.

I like this guy

I have been waiting for this image for the longest time!

Sweet win by the Z!

Minicobra1 · 12-15-2008, 08:19 PM

NIce write up, I almost bought a 135i, but I decided to wait to see what the new BMW Z4 was going to look like, while I was waiting, the 370Z came along!!

BimmerFile | BMW News and Opinion has pics and specs of the new 2009 Z4, I was surprised to see how heavy it was, it's no lighter then the 135i, manf est. 0-60 puts it at 5.1 for the TT S-Drive 35i model. It's a disappointment For a car that will sell for $12-15K more then a 370 . It does look classy though, although I would rather have an 08 Z "M" coupe, I think that has a better look overall.

370Z FTW !!

Braden

sensi09 · 12-15-2008, 01:13 AM

Cool comparison. I was considering a 135i earlier this year and if it was available at the time, I might be driving one today.

BanningZ · 12-15-2008, 01:15 AM

Damn fine post cstr_Cali!

Pretty much what I expected, but its nice to see that it can hold up (stock) with a car that is baseline 10K more.

First off 35K for a Base with the Sport package???

They charge $500 for red? Whats a PG or BLK gonna cost?

Great post!

sensi09 · 12-15-2008, 01:27 AM

The numbers are cool to compare, but I wish they went more in-depth about handling and driving characteristics between the two.

bigdog1250 · 12-15-2008, 01:32 AM

"We love it, and we'd love to see an all-black 370Z with blacked-out windows."

This guy made me laugh. Excellent comparison.

370z · 12-15-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

"We love it, and we'd love to see an all-black 370Z with blacked-out windows."

This guy made me laugh. Excellent comparison.

HAHA... why didn't he also add "with Black rimzzz"

haha

xDIEGOx · 12-15-2008, 02:19 AM

The Z keeps getting better and better.

blacknbean · 12-15-2008, 02:39 AM

i love this review as ive been looking at the 135i for over a yr. ive come to the conclusion that the engine is great, but bmw tuned the suspension more for comfort than performance. so while the numbers are similar they probably feel completely different.

if your looking for a sports car id go with the Z

SnakeBitten · 12-15-2008, 05:21 AM

Shweeet review. 1 German down two to go

12-15-2008, 01:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	yup the Z rocks __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

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azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	I'm surprised the z won over a bmw. Usually even if the bmw is slower, etc the bmw wins in the comparisons. Edmunds takes great photos, interesting they said the car looks better in person than in photos. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

12-15-2008, 07:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
cstr_Cali Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 347 Drives: smoke grey Rep Power: 573	Tubed Edmunds 370Z vs. 135i comparo

12-15-2008, 08:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Minicobra1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA. Posts: 1,205 Drives: 370Z Tour, Spt, 6mt Rep Power: 645	NIce write up, I almost bought a 135i, but I decided to wait to see what the new BMW Z4 was going to look like, while I was waiting, the 370Z came along!! BimmerFile \| BMW News and Opinion has pics and specs of the new 2009 Z4, I was surprised to see how heavy it was, it's no lighter then the 135i, manf est. 0-60 puts it at 5.1 for the TT S-Drive 35i model. It's a disappointment For a car that will sell for $12-15K more then a 370 . It does look classy though, although I would rather have an 08 Z "M" coupe, I think that has a better look overall. 370Z FTW !! Braden Last edited by Minicobra1; 12-15-2008 at 08:23 PM.

12-15-2008, 01:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 29	Damn fine post cstr_Cali! Pretty much what I expected, but its nice to see that it can hold up (stock) with a car that is baseline 10K more. First off 35K for a Base with the Sport package??? They charge $500 for red? Whats a PG or BLK gonna cost? Great post! __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE Last edited by BanningZ; 12-15-2008 at 01:31 AM.

12-15-2008, 01:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
sensi09 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: so cal Posts: 449 Drives: _ Rep Power: 17	Cool comparison. I was considering a 135i earlier this year and if it was available at the time, I might be driving one today.

12-15-2008, 01:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
sensi09 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: so cal Posts: 449 Drives: _ Rep Power: 17	The numbers are cool to compare, but I wish they went more in-depth about handling and driving characteristics between the two.

12-15-2008, 01:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
bigdog1250 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 846 Drives: 991.2 GT3 Rep Power: 18	"We love it, and we'd love to see an all-black 370Z with blacked-out windows." This guy made me laugh. Excellent comparison.

12-15-2008, 02:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
xDIEGOx Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 377 Drives: 02 Ram 4x4 Rep Power: 232	The Z keeps getting better and better. __________________ Wanna see every Top Gear episode? Click --->Top Gear

12-15-2008, 02:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
blacknbean Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 37 Drives: soon to be 370z Rep Power: 17	i love this review as ive been looking at the 135i for over a yr. ive come to the conclusion that the engine is great, but bmw tuned the suspension more for comfort than performance. so while the numbers are similar they probably feel completely different. if your looking for a sports car id go with the Z

12-15-2008, 05:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
SnakeBitten Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwood Posts: 232 Drives: 05 DBZ M6 Rep Power: 17	Shweeet review. 1 German down two to go __________________

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