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g96818 07-28-2009 11:17 AM

haha you sound like a 350z hr owner from the other site :nutswinger:

either way, u offer up no proof to support your claim and i'm not about to sreach your evo forum for it. but like i said since you are really biased towards mitsu, just stick with it

zZSportZz 07-28-2009 11:34 AM

Honestly if cheap mod-ability is what sells you on a car, you are in the wrong forum.

Here in 370z-land, you have to pay-to-play

280z/300zx 07-28-2009 11:34 AM

Cut him some slack, everything he is saying about the EVO's performance is true. I don't necessarily agree on the reliability aspect but that is his opinion. Stock for stock the 370z wins hands down in every aspect but when you start talking about modified the EVO wins hands down. You can spend far less on the EVO and get much more compared to the 370z. I love my 370z but in the power department the EVO has the edge when you start talking mods.

The main reason I didn't go with a 09 WRX or EVO X was because of styling. I wanted a more grown up looking car and something that felt sporty. I previously had a 06 WRX and was considering the new STI, 09 WRX, and EVO X but they just couldn't compare to the feel of a true 2 seater sports car. All these sedans are fast and corner great but they don't give that feeling that you get when you sit in a two seater sports car. Having driven 2 seaters all my life (aside from my WRX) just couldn't go to another sedan. Also, as a medical provider I wanted something that fit my career. I shopped for 6 months and just couldn't picture a new EVO or STI parked under a sign that says "doctors parking only." Besides, I've realized at 27 that there will always be someone faster so whats the point. Not that I'm not going to modify my car or race it, but I'm not going to sacrafice feel and look just so I can get a STI or EVO that responds to mods better. For me the 370z was a better fit. I can honestly say that every time I drive it I have a smile. Then again I can say the same thing about my 280z and 300zx. I say drive the 370z but it sounds to me like you are hooked on EVO's, and there is nothing wrong with that. Good luck:tup:

Greg 07-28-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx (Post 128631)
Also, as a medical provider I wanted something that fit my career. I shopped for 6 months and just couldn't picture a new EVO or STI parked under a sign that says "doctors parking only."

1st things 1st. I'm not an MD just married to one. But dude..Ive seen all types of cars driven by many different medical types. Everything from porches to civc si's and yes even evo's. LOL You sound like those older folks who drive bimmers and mercs... like my wife ( shhh ;) )

Serioulsy tho nothing personal.. I just think everyone should get what they want.. And not worry about what others may think. In the real world most people don't give a darn about what others have.

I'd get an evo if it had 2 doors. Just not a 4dr fan.

chrisw169 07-28-2009 12:25 PM

I currently drive a Honda Del Sol (that I cant wait to get rid of for a 370) and the 370 is currently my dream car. I do have a buddy that owns a evo x that he is in love with. For me personally, I dont want a 4 door car and I would not consider an evo. As far as cross-shopping the 2, do you think that 2 seats is going to be a problem or do you want the more practical 4 door? Also, it seems like you put quite a bit of stock into power and hp, which like you mentioned the evo is more built for upgrades, and since it already has a turbo setup is fairly easy to mod. All the talk about the Z having more power, if you look at 1/4 mile times they are about the same. The x is an all-wheel drive car, and you can never go by straight hp #'s. It all comes down to your personal preference, but if it was me, I would be all for the Z.

Thats my two cents...

Chris

280z/300zx 07-28-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg (Post 128671)
1st things 1st. I'm not an MD just married to one. But dude..Ive seen all types of cars driven by many different medical types. Everything from porches to civc si's and yes even evo's. LOL You sound like those older folks who drive bimmers and mercs... like my wife ( shhh ;) )

Serioulsy tho nothing personal.. I just think everyone should get what they want.. And not worry about what others may think. In the real world most people don't give a darn about what others have.

I'd get an evo if it had 2 doors. Just not a 4dr fan.

Hey, I know what you mean. I know one doc that drives an old 80's ford capri with no a/c, heat, defrost, or anything else that really works. He got it from the communtiy college when they upgraded to newer cars. The car is all beat up and even has the shadow of where the college logo used to be on the door. It was just personally I felt that driving a EVO or STI was too kid racer while the Z was more grown up. Like I said, I'm only 27 and recently had a WRX. I was just looking to move up in class of car. Hell, if it weren't for my student loans I would have got a GTR or Audi R8 but all in good time.

kdoske 07-28-2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuyager9 (Post 128419)
yea 500 hp for ten grand!!..5 g's on and evo with hta gt 35r fp turbo kit and your close to 600 with the right setup(link at the bottom)..iv seen almost 800 on race gas in the ix's..this is one of the main thigs thats keeping me from getting a z...right now im trying to justify buying either car and i wish the z was winning but its not...i like the 2 door sports car (i have a 1g eclipse with bolt on's in the 12's right now) and the driving position. i have always said nissan builds the best 6 cyl. engines and mitsu the best 4 cyl...they both make great hp..i am driving up to grand rapids to test drive a 370 today so ill have to see :)
ETS Mitsubishi Evolution X T3 Turbo Kit

Honestly it sounds like your mind is already made up and is leaning towards an EVO, go with that.

Mitsuyager9 07-28-2009 06:17 PM

well once again i appreciate everyone's input...i just got back from driving the z and i got to say it was nice..the interior had the soft touch type material everywhere and the interment cluster had the nice aluminum bezel, the sub woofer on the spare was neat too lol but i felt a little disappointed on the power side of things...it must be because i come from tubocharged cars and where it should really be kickin it was kinda ehh...now its all down to extensive thought :)

kdoske 07-28-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuyager9 (Post 129099)
well once again i appreciate everyone's input...i just got back from driving the z and i got to say it was nice..the interior had the soft touch type material everywhere and the interment cluster had the nice aluminum bezel, the sub woofer on the spare was neat too lol but i felt a little disappointed on the power side of things...it must be because i come from tubocharged cars and where it should really be kickin it was kinda ehh...now its all down to extensive thought :)

Told ya, quality of the Z shatters the Lancer/Ralliart/Evo, its just nice. Also the speed thing is in your head, check out this vid. Fast forward to 9:34 for results and press pause. You will see that the Evo 10 is about a second behind. If this car does that now being N/A, just imagine if in a year or 2 when turbo kits and superchargers go down in price you add on to your ride how fast this car will be then. It will not only beat the evo, it will kill it.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...r-uk-stig.html

wolf41779 07-28-2009 08:22 PM

I looked briefly at the EVO X, but after seeing its interior and comparing it to the Z, its just a night and day difference on fit and finish. I wanted a vehicle that was a bit more mature, and refined.

Mitsuyager9 07-28-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kdoske (Post 129184)
Told ya, quality of the Z shatters the Lancer/Ralliart/Evo, its just nice. Also the speed thing is in your head, check out this vid. Fast forward to 9:34 for results and press pause. You will see that the Evo 10 is about a second behind. If this car does that now being N/A, just imagine if in a year or 2 when turbo kits and superchargers go down in price you add on to your ride how fast this car will be then. It will not only beat the evo, it will kill it.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...r-uk-stig.html

you have to realize they used an mr model which would attomatically add .05 sec on from the launch and that puts the gsr very close to the z..and for the amount of money a tt kit for the z would be the evo would be much faster and have more hp..especially around a track because while the z will have a traction issue and less hp for the money the x will still have grip loads of traction and more hp...not trying to be biased just stating facts...and still in the thought process

g96818 07-29-2009 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuyager9 (Post 129262)
you have to realize they used an mr model which would attomatically add .05 sec on from the launch and that puts the gsr very close to the z..and for the amount of money a tt kit for the z would be the evo would be much faster and have more hp..especially around a track because while the z will have a traction issue and less hp for the money the x will still have grip loads of traction and more hp...not trying to be biased just stating facts...and still in the thought process

ok, here's the times
[QUOTE] <table><tbody><tr class="first-row"><td>Nissan 370Z</td><td>1.27.5</td></tr> <tr><td>BMW M3 CSL</td><td>1.28.0</td></tr> <tr class="first-row"><td>Roush Mustang</td><td>1.28.0</td></tr> <tr><td>Renault Megane R26R</td><td>1.28.1</td></tr> <tr class="first-row"><td>BMW Z4</td><td>1.28.2</td></tr> <tr><td>Marcos TSO GT2</td><td>1.28.2</td></tr> <tr class="first-row"><td>Subaru WRX Sti</td><td>1.28.2</td></tr> <tr><td>Mitsubishi Evo X</td><td>1.28.22</td></tr></tbody></table>[/quote]

so u're saying the gsr which is not as well quipped as the mr will make a faster time than the better equipped mr by 0.05 sec? well then, obviously the 370z is still faster! the evo's lap time, per your "correction value", is 1.28.17, well what do u know, u beat the z4, congrats. but really now, u're still slower by at least .67 seconds

go buy your evo x.

Sardis 07-29-2009 02:40 AM

They are vastly different cars. My friend has a 600+ RWHP Evo IX that runs on ethanol. I have never been in a car as fast, but it's been turned into a total drag queen.

I would suggest most people bought the Z, because it has two seats, RWD, and a simple 6 speed gearbox.

Honestly, most people that have driven AWD and RWD cars have a preference.

If you want cheap power, you buy the EVO. If you love AWD, you buy the EVO. If you need the extra room, you buy the EVO.

The Z fills the niche of what most people would consider a sports car. Two seats, RWD, 6 speed gearbox. Until the entry of the Genesis coupe, there was nothing else that compares to the Z, without drastically increasing the price.

The two behave and drive quite differently. I would think a serious test drive in both, would answer the question of the chassis dynamics, lay out etc you would prefer

Mergnthwirker 07-29-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuyager9 (Post 129099)
well once again i appreciate everyone's input...i just got back from driving the z and i got to say it was nice..the interior had the soft touch type material everywhere and the interment cluster had the nice aluminum bezel, the sub woofer on the spare was neat too lol but i felt a little disappointed on the power side of things...it must be because i come from tubocharged cars and where it should really be kickin it was kinda ehh...now its all down to extensive thought :)

For more than 25 years I owned an Alfa Romeo Giulietta from 1961. That car lived for high revs, and if you wound it out it performed extremely well (by 1960/70's standards). If I drive my Z the same way it is *amazingly* fast. But most people don't drive their cars this way, and in the Z, it has enough torque that you don't have to in everyday driving. But when you do... holy cow!

It does require a recalibration of how you drive. Seven out of my last 10 cars were turbos, so I had lost the knack. Lower and mid-range torque are beautiful things. Usually there is not a lot of benefit in winding them out much above the torque peak. Not true when driving the Z. It makes its maximum torque and horsepower very high up in the rev range so you need to use the whole power band to extract its best. And the immediacy of naturally aspirated engines is really addictive. It took me a while to get back into that mode after I got my 370Z.

I suspect that you did not drive the Z in a way that extracts the most it has to offer. I highly recommend you spend some time hitting the redline before you give up on the Z!

Mitsuyager9 07-29-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker (Post 129766)
For more than 25 years I owned an Alfa Romeo Giulietta from 1961. That car lived for high revs, and if you wound it out it performed extremely well (by 1960/70's standards). If I drive my Z the same way it is *amazingly* fast. But most people don't drive their cars this way, and in the Z, it has enough torque that you don't have to in everyday driving. But when you do... holy cow!

It does require a recalibration of how you drive. Seven out of my last 10 cars were turbos, so I had lost the knack. Lower and mid-range torque are beautiful things. Usually there is not a lot of benefit in winding them out much above the torque peak. Not true when driving the Z. It makes its maximum torque and horsepower very high up in the rev range so you need to use the whole power band to extract its best. And the immediacy of naturally aspirated engines is really addictive. It took me a while to get back into that mode after I got my 370Z.

I suspect that you did not drive the Z in a way that extracts the most it has to offer. I highly recommend you spend some time hitting the redline before you give up on the Z!

lol i drove the **** out of that 370..its not an amazing amount of power really..i was surprised how close the power was to my pretty much stock eclipse with the boost turned up to 18 psi...dont get me wrong it is fast but i didnt like the flat spot in the power band around 5-6 grand


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