Nismo or boss ?

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Yeeeeeah...

That old IRS would take wheel hop to a.. whole... 'notha... level...

Marshmallow bushings!

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Was that gen designed around a solid axle and changed to an IRS? I can see problems popping up if thats the case.

Yes.

Primary issue was the marshmallow bushings. Wheel hop city.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yes.

Primary issue was the marshmallow bushings. Wheel hop city.

That and a geometry that didn't really support lowering without creating a massive bump-steer issue.

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

The bottom line is that IRS is, and always will be better than a live axle setup from an engineering and mechanical standpoint. You can type in all caps, post pretty pictures, and line charts all you want, it won't ever change that fact.

The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

Sh0velMan · 05-29-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

Don't you tempt me!

haha jk.

Caustic · 05-29-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Just let it go. Each has its merits and each can be both good or bad depending on what you're doing and how you've set it up. Neither is a magic bullet.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I was under the impression that a live axle was preferable for drag racing.

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Originally Posted by Tazicon

And rock crawling

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

And being cheap, compact and efficient.

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

There you go again.

Caustic · 05-29-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

There you go again.

YUP! I went and said it!

Rock climbing for all!

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

I'll agree that the rock crawling comment was pushing it a bit, but drag racing is an activity many people enjoy with sports cars. In that arena, the live axle still outperforms the IRS. I don't think anyone was saying anything close to the hyperbole you just posted. I prefer an IRS, but I can admit that there's at least one form of motorsports that is dominated by live axle vehicles.

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

I saw a stock rental Corolla and an old stock GTI at the HDPE event... they were mopping the floor with everyone...

Now tell me thats because they packed an IRS... or had a sports car... or had gobbs of power... or awesome wheels/tires... or maybe a great suspension?

nope... all driver mod.

No one is saying an IRS is inferior... but lets shift the convo... front vs mid vs rear mount engine... i think a porsche can win because the engine is out back... therefor, all sports cars should have the motor aft of the driver.

If not its old and crappy and no one wants it...

oh and the corvette also runs leaf springs... anyone wanna say something about that?

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 12:37 PM

Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100.

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100.

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

WRONG. They are LEAF springs and are directly off a WAGON which was built from the leaves on a tree. Get your facts straight in this thread, man.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

WRONG. They are LEAF springs and are directly off a WAGON which was built from the leaves on a tree. Get your facts straight in this thread, man.

and wait until you hear where that pushrod motor came from

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100.

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

But the Enzo doesn't use them... so they must be not sports car...

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

and wait until you hear where that pushrod motor came from

Hell they lifted the Ford GT's engine right out of a pickup truck... based on the laws of sports car... it must be slow.

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