Nismo or boss ?

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

I saw a stock rental Corolla and an old stock GTI at the HDPE event... they were mopping the floor with everyone...

Now tell me thats because they packed an IRS... or had a sports car... or had gobbs of power... or awesome wheels/tires... or maybe a great suspension?

nope... all driver mod.

No one is saying an IRS is inferior... but lets shift the convo... front vs mid vs rear mount engine... i think a porsche can win because the engine is out back... therefor, all sports cars should have the motor aft of the driver.

If not its old and crappy and no one wants it...

oh and the corvette also runs leaf springs... anyone wanna say something about that?

jcosta79 · 05-29-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

oh and the corvette also runs leaf springs... anyone wanna say something about that?

As a previous owner of a 2008 C6 I will say something about that. The suspension on that car was less than optimal. Above 120 I felt like I was driving a boat in rough seas.

I installed coilovers (which eliminated the leaf springs) and it transformed the entire behavior of the car. Worlds better than stock. Rock solid all the way to 190. Ask me how I know.

Oh, and I had the Z51 performance suspension.

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

As a previous owner of a 2008 C6 I will say something about that. The suspension on that car was less than optimal. Above 120 I felt like I was driving a boat in rough seas.

I installed coilovers (which eliminated the leaf springs) and it transformed the entire behavior of the car. Worlds better than stock. Rock solid all the way to 190. Ask me how I know.

Oh, and I had the Z51 performance suspension.

And yet GM slapped those leaf springs on the ZR1... which can roflstomp much of its competition.

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And yet GM slapped those leaf springs on the ZR1... which can roflstomp much of its competition.

I don't even think of a ZR1 as a Vette anymore. It's in a completely different league. It's just Vette shaped.

jcosta79 · 05-29-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And yet GM slapped those leaf springs on the ZR1... which can roflstomp much of its competition.

The reason the Vette still uses leaf springs is packaging. GM engineers themselves have admitted it. Would they prefer to use coil springs? Yes. But they can get 95% of the performance using a leaf spring and trick magnetorheological dampers and keep the low hood that is an iconic design feature.

Base C6 is a different animal compared to the ZR1. (I've driven both) I can tell you from experience, it's not the same feeling driving a 370Z at 120+ mph compared to a Vette. The first time I did it in the Vette I thought something was wrong with the car. Scared the crap out of me.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

The reason the Vette still uses leaf springs is packaging. GM engineers themselves have admitted it. Would they prefer to use coil springs? Yes. But they can get 95% of the performance using a leaf spring and trick magnetorheological dampers and keep the low hood that is an iconic design feature.

Base C6 is a different animal. I can tell you from experience, it's not the same feeling driving a 370Z at 120+ mph. The first time I did it in the Vette I thought something was wrong with the car. Scared the crap out of me.

That's because you had the old people shocks.

jcosta79 · 05-29-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's because you had the old people shocks.

I had the whole old people car. Most Vette owners don't drive their cars past 60.

And NEVER in the rain.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

I had the whole old people car. Most Vette owners don't drive their cars past 60.

And NEVER in the rain.

Did it have extra big fonts and a holder for your Jitterbug?

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

The reason the Vette still uses leaf springs is packaging. GM engineers themselves have admitted it. Would they prefer to use coil springs? Yes. But they can get 95% of the performance using a leaf spring and trick magnetorheological dampers and keep the low hood that is an iconic design feature.

Base C6 is a different animal. I can tell you from experience, it's not the same feeling driving a 370Z at 120+ mph. The first time I did it in the Vette I thought something was wrong with the car. Scared the crap out of me.

Oh I am not saying a proper coilover setup would be better... infact I would love a vette with a nice new suspension... (more for a stiffer setup than anything)

What I am saying is... the leaf setup is more then capable, and is designed well. Is it an older concept? yes... does it still work fine? yup.

Tazicon · 05-29-2013, 12:58 PM

Why did I do that, I take it back!

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon

Sounds like the same argument for a SRA? Is it an older concept? Yes. Does it still work well? Yes. Has technology passsed this point? Yes. But do some still have the knowledge to make it work? Yes.

Can most of the people here really understand/appreciate the difference? No. Will it matter to them outside of a spec sheet? No. Is it low hanging fruit which one may use to say why the Z is better? Yes. Does this really matter? No. Is most of this crap just flamming misinformation? Yes.

/argument please?

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