Nismo or boss ?

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No one is denying it. But you guys are making it sound like it's impossible for a SRA car to perform when it's been proven time and time again that they can. Even when those with experience say that their setups are very settled, it's still impossible because it's a solid axle, and well, if you guys say it can't, then it can't!

And like it has been mentioned many times before, for an IRS setup to be better than a well sorted SRA, the geometry has to be right. There are more mediocre independent rear suspension setups out there than there are good ones.

Also Id like to mention that in my pic... i said... i planted the throttle... soooo theres a pic + first hand information...

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

Also Id like to mention that in my pic... i said... i planted the throttle... soooo theres a pic + first hand information...

You're still lying. Angelo says you can't do it, so you can't.

Caustic · 05-29-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

So is having a mid mount engine... does that mean anything to the average driver? no.

I have zero issue with my live axle on/off the track...

You may not have issues, but it is still the inferior rear suspension set up.

Spikuh · 05-29-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

You guys are right. Cars with a solid axle will perform as well on a track as a car with IRS. Look, I can post pics of a vehicle exiting a corner as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't show how fast it's going, or how slow it is in relation to the cars around it.

Bottom line, with all things being equal: power, torque, weight, engine layout, and weight, a car with IRS will put power to the ground more efficiently than a car with a solid rear axle. There's really no denying it.

Wrong.

This:

(Also note, this is not even that aggressive on stance, there is far worse.)

Will never put down power as efficiently as this:

Which will never put down power as efficiently as this:

or this:

How effectively a vehicle puts power down depends entirely on the setup and what that setup is designed to do. It really is that simple.

Just FYI, the 240sx is an IRS setup.

So let's do a quick mind exercise. Take that first 240sx, lean the rears out even more and make the stance super crazy, then build it so that has the same paper stats as a 5.0. Line them up, put them down a strip and then around a track. Who is going to win?

According to you, the 240sx will win....because IRS. To anyone with a pair of eyes, the 5.0 will destroy it.

Spikuh · 05-29-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

You may not have issues, but it is still the inferior rear suspension set up.

Also wrong, see above....

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 10:35 AM

You're wrong, Spikuh. Solid axles can't turn and 370Zs don't have to slow down for corners because IRS.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 10:38 AM

I drove flat out to work this morning. It was awesome.

SAmilitaryman · 05-29-2013, 10:51 AM

So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SAmilitaryman

So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

But he needs to take great care to only drive the Boss on flat surfaces with no turns, and to NOT slow down for turns in his NISMO as that is how both cars work.

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-29-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

Wrong.

This:

(Also note, this is not even that aggressive on stance, there is far worse.)

Will never put down power as efficiently as this:

Which will never put down power as efficiently as this:

or this:

How effectively a vehicle puts power down depends entirely on the setup and what that setup is designed to do. It really is that simple.

Just FYI, the 240sx is an IRS setup.

So let's do a quick mind exercise. Take that first 240sx, lean the rears out even more and make the stance super crazy, then build it so that has the same paper stats as a 5.0. Line them up, put them down a strip and then around a track. Who is going to win?

According to you, the 240sx will win....because IRS. To anyone with a pair of eyes, the 5.0 will destroy it.

Did you miss the point where I said with ALL things being equal? Equal means the same doesn't it? So why bring a 240SX and a 5.0 Mustang? Are they the same?

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 11:01 AM

All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race.

Tazicon · 05-29-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by forza370z

Wow... Nismo or boss ?? Chill out everybody! Now the question is where is the OP???

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He is watching this thread laughing his a** off at what he started. He probably knew this would happen from the beginning!

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 11:03 AM

Normally I would go back and scale down the image, but this thread is so f*cked it doesn't matter.

Spikuh · 05-29-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SAmilitaryman

So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

Some of us yes, but not all of us. For example some fanbois and myself made no such claim. Can we argue now?

But for the OP, if he is still around, if I had the option between a NISMO and a Boss....I would definitely have to get the McLaren P1.

Really though, its kind of a toss up, but I feel like I would lean towards the Boss a bit more just because of the better aftermarket and the better clutch/tranny.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race.

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That last picture is pretty telling. You can see the porsches and 370z are about to lap all of the Mustangs.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Normally I would go back and scale down the image, but this thread is so fcked it doesn't matter. __________________ - Steve* Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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