Nismo or boss ?

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

+1 Agree'd. I watched the TopGear episode where Jeremy ran the new Shelby GT500 down to Italy. Loved the power but did not like the lack of refinement. Thats why I have a Z.

Plus the useless comparisons of muscle cars to the Z is annoying. Let me know when the 240 was ever a muscle car. Or any other Z. They have been sporscars from day 1 in an affordable package. They were never muscle or street/drag racers by design.

Even the motoring press know that. The comparison is price only, the competition in class is the Cayman among others like it.

But in the US, most people are shopping on price. Someone that "wants a sporty car" is going to look at every sporty car in their price range.

That type of buyer is far more common than an enthusiast that says "I want a Z" or "I want a Mustang" or "I want a Corvette." I'll go out on a limb and say that most people that actively post on this forum didn't even have to think about buying their Z.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But in the US, most people are shopping on price. Someone that "wants a sporty car" is going to look at every sporty car in their price range.

That type of buyer is far more common than an enthusiast that says "I want a Z" or "I want a Mustang" or "I want a Corvette." I'll go out on a limb and say that most people that actively post on this forum didn't even have to think about buying their Z.

I test drove everything bruh. Some i test drove twice. It took 3 test drives on the Z before i bought it.

Thats why i call Fanboy on a lot of comments on here.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I test drove everything bruh. Some i test drove twice. It took 3 test drives on the Z before i bought it.

Thats why i call Fanboy on a lot of comments on here.

If you are ever in DC let me know. I want to buy your azz a beer!

Mecinoid · 05-28-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

+1 Agree'd. I watched the TopGear episode where Jeremy ran the new Shelby GT500 down to Italy. Loved the power but did not like the lack of refinement. Thats why I have a Z.

Plus the useless comparisons of muscle cars to the Z is annoying. Let me know when the 240 was ever a muscle car. Or any other Z. They have been sporscars from day 1 in an affordable package. They were never muscle or street/drag racers by design.

Even the motoring press know that. The comparison is price only, the competition in class is the Cayman among others like it.

I'll agree with you on that. I do not understand the musle car comparisons either.

If I want straight line power I go for the Mustang, Firebird, Camaro or Vette. Especially if I'm going to gut it. Who cares about the interior then?

If I want tossability I'll go with the Z. The Vette with magnetic ride is close but, it is so much bigger that it's not as nimble as the Z or transitions as well in my opinion. However, I have not had both at the same road course ever.
The competition mode on the Vette might make a difference on the track. However, on the street I'll take the Z every time for ease of use, getting around and parking situations. Those big doors on American Muscle suck.

zeeder · 05-28-2013, 02:53 PM

I always thought that the Corvette was classified as a sports car and not a muscle car. I certainly don't think of the Corvette when I think of muscle cars.

Mecinoid · 05-28-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

I always thought that the Corvette was classified as a sports car and not a muscle car. I certainly don't think of the Corvette when I think of muscle cars.

It is and has been called America's Best Sports Car. However it does have the guts in it to be called a muscle car by a lot of folks. Check out American Muscle Car Series Season 3 1968-2001 Corvette. I think it still holds true for Vette's after that as well.

StangerGT · 05-28-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

+1 Agree'd. I watched the TopGear episode where Jeremy ran the new Shelby GT500 down to Italy. Loved the power but did not like the lack of refinement. Thats why I have a Z.

Plus the useless comparisons of muscle cars to the Z is annoying. Let me know when the 240 was ever a muscle car. Or any other Z. They have been sporscars from day 1 in an affordable package. They were never muscle or street/drag racers by design.

Even the motoring press know that. The comparison is price only, the competition in class is the Cayman among others like it.

And no offense to all you Z guys... but if I were to cross shop a Cayman... it wouldnt be with a 370z... look at the price point in that market...

DLSTR · 05-28-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And no offense to all you Z guys... but if I were to cross shop a Cayman... it wouldnt be with a 370z... look at the price point in that market...

6cyl, comparable power and 2 seats. I guess you missed that. Throw in a TTS or TT-RS. By the way the German testers with a TT-RS vs the 370Z preferred the Z. Go figure. Price is not everything.

StangerGT · 05-28-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

6cyl, comparable power and 2 seats. I guess you missed that. Throw in a TTS or TT-RS. By the way the German testers with a TT-RS vs the 370Z preferred the Z. Go figure. Price is not everything.

There are far more dynamics at play as to why the consumer would purchase said car, then simply seat/hp/cylinder count. I would bet that the massive percentage of people who buy both cars aren't even aware of what is under the hood... or trunk...

There are far more dynamics at play as to why an enthusiast would also purchase said car. Not to burst any bubbles... but the 370z's main competition is the Genesis coupe, Mustang GT, and Camaro SS.

Price is not everything, you are correct, but you also may want to consider brand imaging, weight distribution, power to weight ratio, braking performance, suspension configuration, quality of materials used, cost of ownership, and overall performance under constant use.

I somehow doubt the Porsche will have the heat soak issues the 370z does... I'll also consider a Z the next time I'm shopping for an NSX...

Can a Mustang GT hang with a V8 M3? yes...

Do majority of people who own an M3 think of owning a Ford Mustang? lol probably not...

EDIT: also please note at no point am I attempting to discredit the 370z... its a great platform, offers impressive bang for the buck in the area it was designed to contend. I just think people should be aware, the 370z is a 370z... not a Porsche. They are more costly for a reason.

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*Flame suit on!*

Magic Bus · 05-28-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And no offense to all you Z guys... but if I were to cross shop a Cayman... it wouldnt be with a 370z... look at the price point in that market...

Agree with you on the price point. However, not many 2 seat sport cars in that Cayman price class to choose from, thus the 370Z fits in that car class category at a much cheaper price and is cross shopped.

Back on topic, tough call OP. Before buying my Z, went to the Ford dealerships here to see if I could test drive a Boss. Unfortunately none were ever available so I test drove the GT on two different occasions. I know it's not the same car, but the GT is an excellent car and felt faster than the Z. However, for some reason it just didn't make me feel connected to the road like the Z did.

While my Z is not a Nismo, I'm sure the Nismo probably would have better feel and the Boss would be faster. So it comes down to whichever feels more like you, don't think you can go wrong either way. Good luck.

Mecinoid · 05-28-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Agree with you on the price point. However, not many 2 seat sport cars in that Cayman price class to choose from, thus the 370Z fits in that car class category at a much cheaper price and is cross shopped.

Back on topic, tough call OP. Before buying my Z, went to the Ford dealerships here to see if I could test drive a Boss. Unfortunately none were ever available so I test drove the GT on two different occasions. I know it's not the same car, but the GT is an excellent car and felt faster than the Z. However, for some reason it just didn't make me feel connected to the road like the Z did.

While my Z is not a Nismo, I'm sure the Nismo probably would have better feel and the Boss would be faster. So it comes down to whichever feels more like you, don't think you can go wrong either way. Good luck.

I think this is a very fair assessment. Thanks for bringing it home Brah.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 01:02 AM

Chasing Boss 302 at VIR

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Chasing Boss 302 at VIR

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Doesn't show anything other than the Z driver has bigger balls.

chrischhorn · 05-28-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Doesn't show anything other than the Z driver has bigger balls.

Driver skill for the win. You want power? Watch the video from 6:15 to 6:40 and watch the Boss disappear but

to Takjak cause that is some damn good driving!

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischhorn

Driver skill for the win. You want power? Watch the video from 6:15 to 6:40 and watch the Boss disappear but

to Takjak cause that is some damn good driving!

Driver is everything.

BUT... forums are for bench/magazine racing.

What's funny is so many people here argue so hard about cars (lets say 5.0 and Z) that are within a second or two of each other on track, but if you put them on track in said cars they would probably get passed by some track pro in a Miata.

05-28-2013, 02:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
zeeder Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Columbia, MO Age: 48 Posts: 460 Drives: ‘13 370Z ST 6M Rep Power: 3428	I always thought that the Corvette was classified as a sports car and not a muscle car. I certainly don't think of the Corvette when I think of muscle cars. b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ Zack FI catback, HFC, and Start Button - Z1 Intake - Nismo S-Tune Spoiler - PasswordJDM V2 Shift Knob

05-28-2013, 01:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Chasing Boss 302 at VIR This pretty much sums up my thoughts. JARblue likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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